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Islam is not a religion, it's a political government that is not at peace with anyone until the whole world submits to Allan and is under sharia law.

Based on this, then,someone living in Islam, is islamic, ? let me ask, Do you honestly think, just because someone has the misfortune, of being born in Islam, and islamic, they should be killed ?, that they can not be saved, if so, join the army, hurry on over there, and kill them all,..This is what any good warmonger would do. The same, over there, they get brainwashed, mis informed, lied to and decieved, so the the warmonger rush over here, and try to kill as many people as they can. Those that will be saved, are those that follow God, the God, of Moses,Abraham,Jacob, David, the Father,of Jesus Christ, My GOD, why can't people see that, ? It has nothing to do with if you claim to "this or that" religion, nor what ever political government you have the misfortune of living under. If this nation, was truely, a nation ruled by God, wouldn't we nominate and vote for, Jesus,, as our president, our LORD, and let Him take care of it,..?

That will never happen,but when Jesus dose come, He will take, those that he knows,and loves, it will not matter, what country,political government, president,king,or dictator,they live under,nor what religion they claim to be. Hah, even the devil, believes in Jesus, and knows Jesus, ...

The enemy is not islam, the enemy is SATAN, also known as LUCIFER, or the "devil",..

i would not disagree with you about Lucifer being our basic enemy, but who do you think Mohammad was interfacing with when he received the instructions that ultimately ended up being the Koran.... do you really think it was Michael.

Also, no I do understand that there are a lot of people in Islamic countries that are not really Islamic...... but I've also read the Koran, much of the first four books of Buchair's Hadith's and much of Sharia Law.

I understand how dangerous Islam is to any civilization that does not submit itself to Allah and Sharia Law...... and I also understand just how difficult it is to find out which of them are really Islamic and which are not just like it's hard to tell which person is really a Christian and which is only mouthing off about it......

What's the difference..... Christians don't cut your head off when you disagree with them....... and before you even think about it don't put the antics of the Roman Church's doings in the past as a Christian organization.

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.... To be honest, I have never seen, where it says, specificly, islamics, will be saved, or not, I do know ,many that think they are saved, will perish. God has tried so hard, in so many ways, including with His Son Jesus, and His Word, yet so many people,just can not seem to understand nor comprehend,..this is what makes me sad, and cry at times. But God always is there to wipe the tears away, and eventually it all is over, like a real long night mare. And everything is OK, the things that were, can not be any more, and won't be, the things that GOD wants and always has wanted,, and always had, always will be, His Judgment will be right and true....

Amen~!

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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Jesus

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

Or The Highway

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15

And Whsoever Will

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Will

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13

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Islam is not a religion, it's a political government that is not at peace with anyone until the whole world submits to Allah and is under sharia law.

Other one, you hit the nail right on the head in this quote.

For the question "are muslims saved". The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, if a person (muslim or what ever) don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, their ticket is punched for hell. This isn't Oldzimm passing judgement on the muslims, it is God's own words.


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Islam is not a religion, it's a political government that is not at peace with anyone until the whole world submits to Allah and is under sharia law.

Other one, you hit the nail right on the head in this quote.

For the question "are muslims saved". The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, if a person (muslim or what ever) don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, their ticket is punched for hell. This isn't Oldzimm passing judgement on the muslims, it is God's own words.

So are all Israelites who have lived since Jesus time and who have not accepted Jesus as Messiah condemned to Hell?

Gary


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So are all Israelites who have lived since Jesus time and who have not accepted Jesus as Messiah condemned to Hell?

Gary

Hebrews 11 answers that.

It is clear that the god islam follows is not the God of Israel or the God of Christianity. They are not saved under islam.


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Islam is not a religion, it's a political government that is not at peace with anyone until the whole world submits to Allah and is under sharia law.

Other one, you hit the nail right on the head in this quote.

For the question "are muslims saved". The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, if a person (muslim or what ever) don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, their ticket is punched for hell. This isn't Oldzimm passing judgement on the muslims, it is God's own words.

So are all Israelites who have lived since Jesus time and who have not accepted Jesus as Messiah condemned to Hell?

Gary

In my opinion, I would say yes, if any Israelite doesn't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will be trimmed from the vine.


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Islam is not a religion, it's a political government that is not at peace with anyone until the whole world submits to Allah and is under sharia law.

Other one, you hit the nail right on the head in this quote.

For the question "are muslims saved". The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, if a person (muslim or what ever) don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, their ticket is punched for hell. This isn't Oldzimm passing judgement on the muslims, it is God's own words.

So are all Israelites who have lived since Jesus time and who have not accepted Jesus as Messiah condemned to Hell?

Gary

In my opinion, I would say yes, if any Israelite doesn't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will be trimmed from the vine.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

They were blinded so that we could have salvation and you think that God made them a sacrifice that would end up in Hell? There is a reason Paul said that they ways of God are past finding out.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Do you send your beloved to Hell? Are the elect going to Hell?

As for Islam, they are being raised up to destroy the temple of God that is defiled. The temple that is filled with idols abominable fornication and such the like. When the process is complete we will see our Jewish brothers and sisters come to Christ and bring in the kingdom of God with Christ as head. We have the opportunity to be sealed in Christ by putting on Christ and walking in him. If we do that we really have no need to fear what Islam will do. God isn't sending them to destroy those that are walking in his ways.

In Jesus Name,

Gary


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Islam is not a religion, it's a political government that is not at peace with anyone until the whole world submits to Allah and is under sharia law.

Other one, you hit the nail right on the head in this quote.

For the question "are muslims saved". The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, if a person (muslim or what ever) don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, their ticket is punched for hell. This isn't Oldzimm passing judgement on the muslims, it is God's own words.

So are all Israelites who have lived since Jesus time and who have not accepted Jesus as Messiah condemned to Hell?

Gary

In my opinion, I would say yes, if any Israelite doesn't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, they will be trimmed from the vine.

This answer has more truth that it is saying ,,, the whole truth is that anyone that is not born-again as Jesus said cannot and will not be permitted into heaven /the LORDS presence ,, simply because the only way is to repent and accept Christ salvation , scripture is clear ,, even though the Israelite s/Jewish people are the chosen people , unless they have repented and accepted Christ as savoir

John 3:1-7

3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Everyone is so preoccupied with getting to heaven after they die. What a great distraction Satan has caused. I approach the throne of God everyday. So what do you guys do with the sheep in Matthew? They were unaware that they were actually doing things to Jesus when they fed, clothed, visited etc those who were the least of his. These cannot be born again believers as born again believers know very well that what we do to one another is what we do to Christ.

Mat 25:37-39 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

They did not know. Who are they?

In Jesus Name,

Gary


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I read a book recently called The Truth About Muhammed and it basically goes along with everything that's been said in this thread. I never realized that the koran literally instructs the oppression of Jews, Christians and murder of non-muslims. Terrorists are simply being devout muslims, following the example Muhammed left behind. Interestingly, when Muhammed first started his "career" as a prophet, he thought a demon was talking to him, and he even tried to commit suicide, before he started saying that it was the angel Gabriel speaking. Seems like he was right the first time.

On a side note, I've heard a theory that the anti-Christ and his false religion is going to have an Islamic foundation rather than the "revived Roman empire" foundation. I don't want to get off topic from the thread, but I just wanted to toss that out on the table.


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Please read the Qu'ran, at least the relevant parts, and you will see that I'm telling you the truth.

Reading the Qu'ran is not really helpful as we all read texts, especially those that are new to us,with preconceptions. Muslims, Bhuddists, Hindus, etc. will all read texts from the bible and interpret them differently from one another and us; and let's face it, even we interpret texts differently. So it is when Christians read religious texts from world religions.

And, of course, none of this is relevant! The basic argument, that Islam is the enemy, is not an important issue. Jesus did not call us to identify enemies, but to share his love.

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