Congress should be calling for a state of war

[Bold Believer]

It used to be at one time (and probably is still so today) that to attack the embassy of a foreign power was considered an act of war. Inasmuch as both Libya and Egypt have done so, Congress should be in session calling for a state of war.

Yes against Libya, no against Egypt. Why one and not the other? Because the Egyptians have put riot police out to stop the incidents, they are making an effort to control their radicals. Libya is not. A few bombs should put them straight and let the rest of the world know that the USA will not tolerate this conduct.

Religion of peace my tukhus.

[MorningGlory]

It used to be at one time (and probably is still so today) that to attack the embassy of a foreign power was considered an act of war. Inasmuch as both Libya and Egypt have done so, Congress should be in session calling for a state of war.

Yes against Libya, no against Egypt. Why one and not the other? Because the Egyptians have put riot police out to stop the incidents, they are making an effort to control their radicals. Libya is not. A few bombs should put them straight and let the rest of the world know that the USA will not tolerate this conduct.

Religion of peace my tukhus.

Peace and islam are like oil and water, for sure. But the answer is not simply 'bomb them'. Bomb who? The Middle East is on the verge of all out war; we simply can't just go in and take out the radicals. For one thing, they're ALL radicals and, for another, if that region blows sky high, Israel will be the first casualty. Boots on the ground in yet another war? It's not feasible right now. So....what do we do?

[Guest yod]

Go play golf and schedule an appearance on Letterman. Put the blame on Israel. Restrict the rights of christians and expand the influence of Islam.

Gee, there are so many things our President could do...

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[Bold Believer]

It used to be at one time (and probably is still so today) that to attack the embassy of a foreign power was considered an act of war. Inasmuch as both Libya and Egypt have done so, Congress should be in session calling for a state of war.

Yes against Libya, no against Egypt. Why one and not the other? Because the Egyptians have put riot police out to stop the incidents, they are making an effort to control their radicals. Libya is not. A few bombs should put them straight and let the rest of the world know that the USA will not tolerate this conduct.

Religion of peace my tukhus.

Peace and islam are like oil and water, for sure. But the answer is not simply 'bomb them'. Bomb who? The Middle East is on the verge of all out war; we simply can't just go in and take out the radicals. For one thing, they're ALL radicals and, for another, if that region blows sky high, Israel will be the first casualty. Boots on the ground in yet another war? It's not feasible right now. So....what do we do?

I wouldn't expect a lady to understand (no offense here) how to deal with this; they are not generally trained in the art of war. We have a multitude of options. The best one for this particular incident is the submarine launched cruise missile with a Fuel Air Explosive warhead. Launch 2 or 3 each into Bengazi and Tripoli, then issue a statement: Do it again, we'll send more. Leave us alone and the matter is resolved.

If you don't stand up to a bully, they will keep bullying you.

[MorningGlory]

I wouldn't expect a lady to understand (no offense here) how to deal with this; they are not generally trained in the art of war. We have a multitude of options. The best one for this particular incident is the submarine launched cruise missile with a Fuel Air Explosive warhead. Launch 2 or 3 each into Bengazi and Tripoli, then issue a statement: Do it again, we'll send more. Leave us alone and the matter is resolved.

If you don't stand up to a bully, they will keep bullying you.

No offense? Gee, I can't see how the bolded sentence isn't patronizing......to the nth degree. Whatever, I understand war; never fought one but I DO understand it. Your premise is flawed, B.B.; the islamists don't care about collateral or property losses, they WANT to be martyred for their 'allah' and, as I said, Israel would bear the brunt of the fallout. Remember, Clinton tried the 'Cruise missile from afar' strategy in the 1990s; rather than deter the islamists, it paved the way for 9/11.

[Bold Believer]

I wouldn't expect a lady to understand (no offense here) how to deal with this; they are not generally trained in the art of war. We have a multitude of options. The best one for this particular incident is the submarine launched cruise missile with a Fuel Air Explosive warhead. Launch 2 or 3 each into Bengazi and Tripoli, then issue a statement: Do it again, we'll send more. Leave us alone and the matter is resolved.

If you don't stand up to a bully, they will keep bullying you.

No offense? Gee, I can't see how the bolded sentence isn't patronizing......to the nth degree. Whatever, I understand war; never fought one but I DO understand it. Your premise is flawed, B.B.; the islamists don't care about collateral or property losses, they WANT to be martyred for their 'allah' and, as I said, Israel would bear the brunt of the fallout. Remember, Clinton tried the 'Cruise missile from afar' strategy in the 1990s; rather than deter the islamists, it paved the way for 9/11.

War is diplomacy carried out by other means. When all else fails, war is the last option.

When going to war, one must deliver a blow SO HARD that the enemy will be unable to respond to it by any means at all. Knock him down and keep him there, put plain and simply. We used to have an expression: Make 'em say uncle. They don't care about collateral or property losses? HAH! If they don't care, then why do they pander to the cameras every time they get slapped around by some country they've poked in the stomach with their little sharp stick? Give them enough to care about, they'll say uncle.

They are a 'macho' culture. They respect manliness. If we respond like men, then we will gain their respect. Grudgingly? Probably, but we will have it nonetheless. If we respond in an unmanly fashion, they will do this whenever they feel like it. America needs to be more manly and throw off this sissy culture we've been wrapping ourselves in.

[LOVE SONGS]

Can't wait to see what Obama and congress will decide to do....

in my opinion they need to send all of our people back home ! Everything is bad over there. Its sad.

[MorningGlory]

I wouldn't expect a lady to understand (no offense here) how to deal with this; they are not generally trained in the art of war. We have a multitude of options. The best one for this particular incident is the submarine launched cruise missile with a Fuel Air Explosive warhead. Launch 2 or 3 each into Bengazi and Tripoli, then issue a statement: Do it again, we'll send more. Leave us alone and the matter is resolved.

If you don't stand up to a bully, they will keep bullying you.

No offense? Gee, I can't see how the bolded sentence isn't patronizing......to the nth degree. Whatever, I understand war; never fought one but I DO understand it. Your premise is flawed, B.B.; the islamists don't care about collateral or property losses, they WANT to be martyred for their 'allah' and, as I said, Israel would bear the brunt of the fallout. Remember, Clinton tried the 'Cruise missile from afar' strategy in the 1990s; rather than deter the islamists, it paved the way for 9/11.

War is diplomacy carried out by other means. When all else fails, war is the last option.

When going to war, one must deliver a blow SO HARD that the enemy will be unable to respond to it by any means at all. Knock him down and keep him there, put plain and simply. We used to have an expression: Make 'em say uncle. They don't care about collateral or property losses? HAH! If they don't care, then why do they pander to the cameras every time they get slapped around by some country they've poked in the stomach with their little sharp stick? Give them enough to care about, they'll say uncle.

They are a 'macho' culture. They respect manliness. If we respond like men, then we will gain their respect. Grudgingly? Probably, but we will have it nonetheless. If we respond in an unmanly fashion, they will do this whenever they feel like it. America needs to be more manly and throw off this sissy culture we've been wrapping ourselves in.

Or, maybe, the alleged 'manliness' that has always steered this country simply isn't working against islam. You're assuming they think like we do....no, they don't. As I said they don't care about losses; the pandering to the cameras is PR, part of the geopolitical quest of world domination. Btw, your gender bias is showing big time......

[Bold Believer]

I wouldn't expect a lady to understand (no offense here) how to deal with this; they are not generally trained in the art of war. We have a multitude of options. The best one for this particular incident is the submarine launched cruise missile with a Fuel Air Explosive warhead. Launch 2 or 3 each into Bengazi and Tripoli, then issue a statement: Do it again, we'll send more. Leave us alone and the matter is resolved.

If you don't stand up to a bully, they will keep bullying you.

No offense? Gee, I can't see how the bolded sentence isn't patronizing......to the nth degree. Whatever, I understand war; never fought one but I DO understand it. Your premise is flawed, B.B.; the islamists don't care about collateral or property losses, they WANT to be martyred for their 'allah' and, as I said, Israel would bear the brunt of the fallout. Remember, Clinton tried the 'Cruise missile from afar' strategy in the 1990s; rather than deter the islamists, it paved the way for 9/11.

War is diplomacy carried out by other means. When all else fails, war is the last option.

When going to war, one must deliver a blow SO HARD that the enemy will be unable to respond to it by any means at all. Knock him down and keep him there, put plain and simply. We used to have an expression: Make 'em say uncle. They don't care about collateral or property losses? HAH! If they don't care, then why do they pander to the cameras every time they get slapped around by some country they've poked in the stomach with their little sharp stick? Give them enough to care about, they'll say uncle.

They are a 'macho' culture. They respect manliness. If we respond like men, then we will gain their respect. Grudgingly? Probably, but we will have it nonetheless. If we respond in an unmanly fashion, they will do this whenever they feel like it. America needs to be more manly and throw off this sissy culture we've been wrapping ourselves in.

Or, maybe, the alleged 'manliness' that has always steered this country simply isn't working against islam. You're assuming they think like we do....no, they don't. As I said they don't care about losses; the pandering to the cameras is PR, part of the geopolitical quest of world domination. Btw, your gender bias is showing big time......

It's not gender bias; I was taught that men handle some things and ladies others. This is a military thing, men handle that (with the occasional exception.)

What has Mr. Obama done? He's sent 50 Marines to 'secure' the consulate. WHAT CONSULATE? They burned it to the ground. This from Fox News:

A team of about 50 Marines has been dispatched to the Libyan city of Benghazi to secure the U.S. Consulate after attacks Tuesday left four Americans dead including the U.S. ambassador, a senior U.S. military official told Fox News.

The official said a Marine "fast team" is being sent from the U.S. Naval base in Rota, Spain. They are not yet on the ground.

The move comes after President Obama ordered "all necessary resources" provided to Libya to support the security of U.S. personnel in the country.

In a statement, Obama also said he's directed his administration to "increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe."

Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other American staff members were killed in the attacks Tuesday.

U.S. posts are on alert amid protests, so far in Libya and Egypt, over a film that ridiculed Islam's Prophet Muhammad.

The senior military official clarified Wednesday that despite some reports, no Marines were killed in the Tuesday attack. The military, the source said, has not been asked by the State Department to assist with any evacuations.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/marine-unit-dispatched-to-secure-consulate-in-benghazi-after-deadly-attacks/#ixzz26GrvU9Wr

Now Obama has gone ahead and given 'all necessary resources' to Libya to support US personnel in the country? If that wasn't so sad, it would be laughable. That makes sense. These people attack us, let's give them resources to support our personnel. How do you spell resources: M O N E Y. We gave Pakistan all resources necessary to assist us in the war on terror. They hid Bin Laden under our noses and laughed at us behind our backs.

We can't afford four more years of this. We can't afford four more MINUTES of it.

[winsomebulldog]

I'm going to have to agree with Morning Glory, here, on a few points. First, suggesting that we women can't really "get" the idea of war because we're female is a very assinine statement. We women understand these aspects just fine. Generally speaking, I'm a advocate for the kinds of tactics BB has been advocating. I think many of our failings in the war arena have stemmed from a lack of committment to doing what was necessary. We've become so influenced by liberal screaming about the loss of innocent lives during war actions that we're trying to tip-toe our way through combat. It started with Vietnam and has only gotten worse since then. It's time the American public get over the idea that, somehow, no one is supposed to die in war.

Having said that, my initial instinct, despite being a woman , is that we need to hit the Mid-East hard to make the point that we WILL defend ourselves. But I also believe that Morning Glory is correct and that such actions wouldn't do much to deter the Muslims. They are taught from infancy that dying for their beliefs is pretty much the only way to guarantee admission to their idea of paradise. They would celebrate being killed by the country they hate almost as much as Israel, and they would turn it into a rallying cry to whip up even more hatred against us. Conventional warfare just isn't going to work in this case.

On the other hand, as a step toward answering what we should do, I think we absolutely should cease all financial aid to every Muslim nation that refuses to acknowledge Israel's right to existance. Every Muslim nation that continues to harbor, shield, foster, and/or support radical groups should be openly condemned and denied all aid. We should issue a definitive statement in support of Israel, including a committment to defend them as an ally and to declare war on any nation that attacks them. And not war as it is fought today, but war as it should be fought, meaning we wipe entire nations off the face of the planet from afar.

We've become absurdly soft when it comes to the reality of war. We want no one to get hurt. We want no innocent to get so much as a scratch. We want no member of our military to get hurt or killed. Well, that's just not how it works. As I've said multiple times before in similar discussions, "War is hell," is not just some cliche. It's the reality and should never be entered into lightly, but once it is begun, it should be carried out with ruthless lethality until the opposition loses all desire to continue. The Muslims seem to have this figured out and so far, they're succeeding.