Listen and discern what cost?.

[7angel]

no 7angel, I would not condemn a child. But this isnt about what I would or would not do,

I do not condemn a child to eternal punishment. or anyone, or Jack the Ripper.

Who can claim to be more merciful than God?

Edited October 7, 2012 by 7angel

[The_Patriot21]

Your missing the point 7angel-you and I, we cannot condemn anyone. We condemn ourselves. Yes, God is a merciful God, the most merciful out there-but unless you accept that mercy, you are going to hell. Period. thats what the Bible says, thats what God says, And unless you can find scripture to back that up, then this discussion is over. You may want to sit here and call God a liar-but in the end, Im not, because no matter what you and me say, what God says goes.

[7angel]

Your missing the point 7angel-you and I, we cannot condemn anyone. We condemn ourselves. Yes, God is a merciful God, the most merciful out there-but unless you accept that mercy, you are going to hell. Period. thats what the Bible says, thats what God says, And unless you can find scripture to back that up, then this discussion is over. You may want to sit here and call God a liar-but in the end, Im not, because no matter what you and me say, what God says goes.

But you said and agree, believe in eternal punishment without the possibility of exit,

This thought makes God a God without mercy

[The_Patriot21]

No it doesn't-Gods mercy is shown in Christs sacrifice on the cross. Christ died, the perfect sacrifice for our sins. If we refuse to accept that gift, that is not an argument against Gods mercy-but rather, an argument for mankinds own selfishness. Mercy doesnt mean you can do whatever you want and get away with it-mercy, is giving you a chance to escape the punishment you deserve. If you refuse to take that chance, then thats on you, not on God.

[7angel]

No it doesn't-Gods mercy is shown in Christs sacrifice on the cross. Christ died, the perfect sacrifice for our sins. If we refuse to accept that gift, that is not an argument against Gods mercy-but rather, an argument for mankinds own selfishness. Mercy doesnt mean you can do whatever you want and get away with it-mercy, is giving you a chance to escape the punishment you deserve. If you refuse to take that chance, then thats on you, not on God.

No one can escape its own condemnation, because the man has already been judged at the cross,

Without exception, we have the options to choose the path of Jesus or ours,

Following our own way, we will bring much suffering here on earth and more in hell, but repentance is present also in hell but by no means an eternal suffering, dead end - in hell we will suffer the wrongs we have done our neighbor as ourselves, what is written - do not unto others what you would not want done to yourself

[OneLight]

Your missing the point 7angel-you and I, we cannot condemn anyone. We condemn ourselves. Yes, God is a merciful God, the most merciful out there-but unless you accept that mercy, you are going to hell. Period. thats what the Bible says, thats what God says, And unless you can find scripture to back that up, then this discussion is over. You may want to sit here and call God a liar-but in the end, Im not, because no matter what you and me say, what God says goes.

But you said and agree, believe in eternal punishment without the possibility of exit,

This thought makes God a God without mercy

You have a skewed view of Gods mercy. God gives mercy to everyone until the day they die, then their fate is sealed. Nobody knows if another person is saved. Only God knows.

What do you think this passage means?

Revelation 20:11-15

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

[ayin jade]

Folks have tried to show you the error of your teachings here. You keep choosing what sounds good to you over what the bible says.

Titus 3

10 After the first and second warning, reject a man of heresy,

11 knowing that he who is such has been perverted, and sins, being self-condemned.

[JohnD]

The soul is only the buffer between the two realities of what makes us (spirit and physical) having traits of both and often being interchanged in scripture for this fact.

As to things sticking to our soul... I doubt much can.

[7angel]

Your missing the point 7angel-you and I, we cannot condemn anyone. We condemn ourselves. Yes, God is a merciful God, the most merciful out there-but unless you accept that mercy, you are going to hell. Period. thats what the Bible says, thats what God says, And unless you can find scripture to back that up, then this discussion is over. You may want to sit here and call God a liar-but in the end, Im not, because no matter what you and me say, what God says goes.

But you said and agree, believe in eternal punishment without the possibility of exit,

This thought makes God a God without mercy

You have a skewed view of Gods mercy. God gives mercy to everyone until the day they die, then their fate is sealed. Nobody knows if another person is saved. Only God knows.

What do you think this passage means?

Revelation 20:11-15

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 11 / 15

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

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This vision represents the end of the world is not bad news

And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books..

The Bible is a book whose words judge us all, good and evil are written to be known, the two paths, - of which we choose one, if we choose the path of God, we live, the other leads to the second death is hell, why second death? - This life is the first death, the second is coming if we choose evil, death means "resurrection, that is, the second death means resurrection second, because we did not test the first.

The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them.

In fact we are all dead, just a matter of time, those who pass the test of life, we are the first to be resurrected, those who fail are those of Hades or Sheol, that is, those of the second death. also raised, but more pain.

And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Death and Hades "- were thrown into the lake of fire, how do you understand? - What is thrown into the lake of fire is not the man, but what dwells in man, death and sin, which does not is written in the book, only God knows, we can not know because it is not written

[The_Patriot21]

wow, that is the worst misinterpretation of those verses I have ever seen 7angel. Yes, when Christ returns, we will all face judgement. But like ephesians 2:8-9 states, we are saved by grace through faith, and not of works, least any man should boast. You just dont get it-one sin, is enough to erase all our good works and damn us to hell-so if we are judged by our works, which if we havent accepted Christ on this earth, we will be, then we will spend eternity in hell. The Bible is clear on that.