Split... "Who is the Holy Spirit?"-Baptistm and Holy Spirit.

[webb]

Holy Spirit baptism was a promise. It was promised to and given to Christ's apostles, not everyone. It occured on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2. It occurred but once again (not quite the same as Acts 2) to the house of Cornelius as recorded in Acts 10,11, for the purpose of confirming to the Jew that God included the gentiles as well. It has not occured since.

One cannot even be a Christian without having the Holy Spirit in their heart. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Hi Allofgrace

I have no problem with your post, although its possible I do not interpret them meaning of the post as you meant it.

God bless

Edited December 20, 2012 by GoldenEagle
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[Jayyycuuup]

Hi

I'm not a member of any denomination. The church in the Bible is not a denomination.

I believe the Bible teaches water baptism to be essential to salvation, Mark16:15,16.

God bless

So if I understand you correctly, you believe it should be done, but is not a have to; to take part in the kingdom. . .correct?

[webb]

Hi

I'm not a member of any denomination. The church in the Bible is not a denomination.

I believe the Bible teaches water baptism to be essential to salvation, Mark16:15,16.

God bless

So if I understand you correctly, you believe it should be done, but is not a have to; to take part in the kingdom. . .correct?

Hello Jacob

My understanding of water baptism is that it must (not should be)be done to enter the kingdom.

w

[webb]

Holy Spirit baptism was a promise. It was promised to and given to Christ's apostles, not everyone. It occured on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2. It occurred but once again (not quite the same as Acts 2) to the house of Cornelius as recorded in Acts 10,11, for the purpose of confirming to the Jew that God included the gentiles as well. It has not occured since.

I am afraid it is you who needs to study Who the Holy Spirit is. He was given to all who believe in Christ Jesus and accepted His salvation, for upon salvation we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. He, the Holy Spirit creates in us a new person and renews our minds. He gives us gifts to do His ministry. He teaches us in all truth. Through His Spirit in us, we have His fruit,

Perhaps, you are missing His teachings because you do not believe in Him?

But I do believe in Him, with all my heart. I believe what He said as well, not my feelings.

[JohnD]

Ephesians 4:5 (NIV)

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

And you say that one baptism is water baptism?

The guy who invented water baptism, John the Baptist said in contrast to water baptism...

Matthew 3:11 (NIV)

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Mark 1:8 (NIV)

8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 3:16 (NIV)

16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Acts 11:16 (NIV)

16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Do you still believe that one baptism is water baptism, Webb?

[Jayyycuuup]

Ephesians 4:5 (NIV)

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

And you say that one baptism is water baptism?

The guy who invented water baptism, John the Baptist said in contrast to water baptism...

Matthew 3:11 (NIV)

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Mark 1:8 (NIV)

8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 3:16 (NIV)

16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Acts 11:16 (NIV)

16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Do you still believe that one baptism is water baptism, Webb?

[JohnD]

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the indwelling / salvation of believers in Christ Jesus and that earnest seal of eternal life to come.

Baptism with fire is the judgment of all who do not believe in Christ Jesus (John 3:16-18).

It's either / or.

[JohnD]

Currently we attend a Baptist Church (no Calvary Chapels or Messianic Jewish congregations which we prefer are near by where we live).

And even our Baptist preacher does not believe water baptism is essential for anything other than to demonstrate an outward act of obedience to reveal an inward transformation.

[OneLight]

Holy Spirit baptism was a promise. It was promised to and given to Christ's apostles, not everyone. It occured on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2. It occurred but once again (not quite the same as Acts 2) to the house of Cornelius as recorded in Acts 10,11, for the purpose of confirming to the Jew that God included the gentiles as well. It has not occured since.

I am afraid it is you who needs to study Who the Holy Spirit is. He was given to all who believe in Christ Jesus and accepted His salvation, for upon salvation we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. He, the Holy Spirit creates in us a new person and renews our minds. He gives us gifts to do His ministry. He teaches us in all truth. Through His Spirit in us, we have His fruit,

Perhaps, you are missing His teachings because you do not believe in Him?

But I do believe in Him, with all my heart. I believe what He said as well, not my feelings.

Then, why do you ignore the majority of scripture in favor of a few? Try doing a subject study on the Holy Spirit, where He is spoken of in scripture. You will have a better understanding of His ministry then if you just take a few verses and make a doctrine of them.

[OneLight]

It would seem to me from what you write, you need to restudy the subject of the Holy Spirit.

regards

If you could/would. . .answer a few things to help better understand you?

1. What denomination do you consider yourself?

2. Do you belive you must be baptized in order to be saved?

Blessings

Hi

I'm not a member of any denomination. The church in the Bible is not a denomination.

I believe the Bible teaches water baptism to be essential to salvation, Mark16:15,16.

God bless

These verses are often used by those who believe that one cannot be saved without being baptized. Since this would take this thread off topic, I suggest you use the search engine and review the past threads on this subject. A deeper search is done by clicking on the little gear looking icon next to the search box above.