Split... "Who is the Holy Spirit?"-Baptistm and Holy Spirit.

[allofgrace]

Hi Allofgrace

I have no problem with your post, although its possible I do not interpret them meaning of the post as you meant it.

God bless

That is a direct quote from Romans 8:9, it is the word of God that you don't agree with with, not my opinion.

[webb]

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One receives the Holy Spirit when baptized, Acts 2:38

Can

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

Any Man

Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. Acts 8:35-38

Really Think To Box God: The Holy Ghost In

And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Acts 10:42-48

Hi --I really don't understand your conclusion

Is It The Holy Spirit And Then Water Baptism?

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Acts 10:44-47

Or Is It Water Baptism And Then The Holy Spirit?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.Acts 2:38

Let The Scriptures Draw Your Conclusion

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13

[webb]

Holy Spirit baptism was a promise. It was promised to and given to Christ's apostles, not everyone. It occured on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2. It occurred but once again (not quite the same as Acts 2) to the house of Cornelius as recorded in Acts 10,11, for the purpose of confirming to the Jew that God included the gentiles as well. It has not occured since.

I am afraid it is you who needs to study Who the Holy Spirit is. He was given to all who believe in Christ Jesus and accepted His salvation, for upon salvation we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. He, the Holy Spirit creates in us a new person and renews our minds. He gives us gifts to do His ministry. He teaches us in all truth. Through His Spirit in us, we have His fruit,

Perhaps, you are missing His teachings because you do not believe in Him?

But I do believe in Him, with all my heart. I believe what He said as well, not my feelings.

Then, why do you ignore the majority of scripture in favor of a few? Try doing a subject study on the Holy Spirit, where He is spoken of in scripture. You will have a better understanding of His ministry then if you just take a few verses and make a doctrine of them.

I have studied evey scripture on the Holy Spirit and ignore none.

[webb]

Hi Allofgrace

I have no problem with your post, although its possible I do not interpret them meaning of the post as you meant it.

God bless

That is a direct quote from Romans 8:9, it is the word of God that you don't agree with with, not my opinion.

I believe Rom.8:9 completely, without reservation.

[gdemoss]

Acts 10:48 (Cornelius) is the only time the Holy Spirit was received before water baptism. Acts 10 and 11 record the conversion of Cornelius the 1st gentile convert. The baptism of the Spirit was given on that occasion to convince the Jew that the gentile was to be included in the scheme of redemption. BTW, there are measures of the Spirit and that of Acts 10,11 is not the same measure as Acts 2:38

God bless

You move into the area of adding to scripture with such conclusions as the scripture does not declare what you have here. I merely showed you from scripture that water baptism does not always precede the receiving of the Holy Spirit. I received the Spirit long before I was ever baptized. Are you declaring that I and others like me did not?

It would seem to me from what you write, you need to restudy the subject of the Holy Spirit.

regards

What have you displayed here in this thread that shows any real knowledge of the Holy Spirit except it be that you have added things to the scriptures to 'make sense' out of your personal interpretation of the text? No where in scripture does it say that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon Cornelius and his family was for the purpose of confirming that God gave the Spirit unto the gentiles as well as the Jews, and that that would be the end of the outpouring. Unless you can prove it from scripture, the only other method of declaring what you say as truth is to declare that God through the Holy Spirit has revealed it as true unto you outside of scripture. Are you saying such has happened or do you have some other source for your declaration?

[webb]

Read the whole of Acts 10,11 for the reason Peter was sent to Cornelius. Why was he so reluctant to Go? Read especially 11:1-18 as Peter had to make report to the other apostles that they might understand why he went to the "uncircumcised".

[gdemoss]

Read the whole of Acts 10,11 for the reason Peter was sent to Cornelius. Why was he so reluctant to Go? Read especially 11:1-18 as Peter had to make report to the other apostles that they might understand why he went to the "uncircumcised".

I read, as you requested. Thank you for drawing me there as I saw some things that I want to return to look at that are unrelated to our topic of discussion here. Peter's report was given unto those who were contentious that were of the circumcision of the apostles and brethren that were in Judea. What about the text causes you to believe Peter was reluctant to go? The text you point out does not reveal that which you claim it does.

[webb]

Yes, the apostles could't comprehend why Peter had gone to the "uncircumcised" (gentiles). Read Acts 11 (which places in order the events of chapter 10 ). Verses 1-12 tell of Peter's struggle to ascertain the meaning of the vision and the arrival of 3 men from Caesarea (where Cornelius was) and the Spirit bidding Peter to go with them "nothing doubting), which Peter did, thank God. As mentioned, the same is found in chapter 10.

w

[OneLight]

Holy Spirit baptism was a promise. It was promised to and given to Christ's apostles, not everyone. It occured on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2. It occurred but once again (not quite the same as Acts 2) to the house of Cornelius as recorded in Acts 10,11, for the purpose of confirming to the Jew that God included the gentiles as well. It has not occured since.

I am afraid it is you who needs to study Who the Holy Spirit is. He was given to all who believe in Christ Jesus and accepted His salvation, for upon salvation we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. He, the Holy Spirit creates in us a new person and renews our minds. He gives us gifts to do His ministry. He teaches us in all truth. Through His Spirit in us, we have His fruit,

Perhaps, you are missing His teachings because you do not believe in Him?

But I do believe in Him, with all my heart. I believe what He said as well, not my feelings.

Then, why do you ignore the majority of scripture in favor of a few? Try doing a subject study on the Holy Spirit, where He is spoken of in scripture. You will have a better understanding of His ministry then if you just take a few verses and make a doctrine of them.

I have studied evey scripture on the Holy Spirit and ignore none.

I believe you have. You said that the Holly Spirit was given to just the Apostles, you had to ignore many scripture that state we all have Him. One in particular is 2 Corinthians 1:21-22

Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

And Ephesians 1:13-14

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Not to mention Ephesians 4:30

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Now, if we did not have His Holy Spirit, how could all this be true?

[gdemoss]

Yes, the apostles could't comprehend why Peter had gone to the "uncircumcised" (gentiles). Read Acts 11 (which places in order the events of chapter 10 ). Verses 1-12 tell of Peter's struggle to ascertain the meaning of the vision and the arrival of 3 men from Caesarea (where Cornelius was) and the Spirit bidding Peter to go with them "nothing doubting), which Peter did, thank God. As mentioned, the same is found in chapter 10.

w

It appears your having difficulty reading the text for what it says.

Act 11:1-3 ¶ And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

It says that the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard about it.

Separately it says that they that were of the circumcision contended with him.

It does not say "the apostles could't comprehend why Peter had gone to the "uncircumcised" (gentiles)."

These that are referred to as 'the circumcision' are spoken of elsewhere.

Tts 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

Who was it that was surprised?

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The ones of 'the circumcision' that came with Peter. There is no mention of Peter being shocked or reluctant to do anything. Where are you getting this stuff from? How are you making these conclusions?