Legal "drugs"

[Guest man]

I am not saying don't use pain killers, but I am interested why the USA uses 80% of the worlds production of them?

A lot of people see pain meds as a quick fix. Take away the pain, the condition no longer exists.

I don't know about other countries but here in the states all one has to do to get pain meds is to complain about pain.

Another reason is money. My co-pay for 60 tablets of Oxycodone is $3.00..........I was offered $300.00 for my bottle of pills. (which I declined) The insurance companies also have a vested interest in pushing these pills.

America is the land of plenty........................both good and bad.

[ncn]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I too am pleased that your leg is still there, many have lost not only a leg but all limbs.

Please don't tell me you are advocating that doctors should not use pain killers and modern day medicine to help pain relief which has come on by leaps and bound since the 60's. ?

Perhaps we could go back to the days of not using anesthetics to saw off limbs as they did in Nelson's time.

With no pain relief before or after, just give them a bottle of rum and tell them it will pass.

I am not saying don't use pain killers, but I am interested why the USA uses 80% of the worlds production of them?

Medical Insurance companies pay for them, big business, doctors are encouraged to prescribe them ?

I dont live in the USA so should levae this thred , plus dont get me started on PD medication which would derail the thread.

Don't worry, you can't really derail it,because I have no agenda, and i would like to hear your views. Most of our doctors here will consult with you for 5 minutes and give you a ream of prescriptions. It's one reason why I like my doctor. We are in a small town and he is an old small town doctor. He takes his time, up to 30 minutes or longer, chatting, with his unlit pipe in his mouth. Like something from a TV series.....

Sounds just like my Neurologist who I visited last on Wednesday!

Horn rim glasses falling off the end of his nose and a pipe.

Told me we had come to the end of the road for my meds, asked if I wanted to go on a pump, told him no.

He knows my opinion on that.

Parting words, were , " Now go and have a Merry Christmas and I'll see you in May!

OH, and you can still have the odd beer and a wine, I wont stipulate glass or bottle!"

I replied, "Thank you, think I'll make it till then?"

"You had better because I don't have any spare appointments before the end of April!"

My kind of doctor.

God is good , when the time comes I just pray each day I'm ready to be called home.

[ayin jade]

Prescription drug abuse leads to 14,800 deaths a year, which is more than what heroin and cocaine total combined, according to the BBC.

That is 40 deaths a day from prescription drug abuse, 19 a day of which are from overdosing.

The question that begs to be asked is, why not legal weed instead, if it is less harmful than the opiates?

Prescription drug ABUSE is illegal. Prescription drugs must be used in the manner prescribed by the doctor, as it falls within standard limits of use (usually those set by the fda and the manufacturer as the dosage recommendations). Abuse of these meds is illegal. So when you talk of deaths from opiates, please keep in mind it is an illegal use of the medication. Any discussion of legal drugs should distinguish between legal use of them and illegal use of them.

Prescription drug abuse also involves other medications. For instance, some anorexics abuse laxatives. That can create health risks for them including death.

[ayin jade]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I live with pain every day. Some days worse than others. For a couple of years just walking in the house was a struggle. Now Im able to walk about a mile (with pain) and I am not crippled the next day at least. That is a huge improvement for me. I am having new pain as well. A neuro pain in my left leg similar to an old pain diagnosed as meralgia paresthetica in my right leg. Ive learned non medicinal ways of coping with my pain. Polar fleece helps. Avoiding certain movements etc. But the fact remains that I hurt every day. It is what it is. I prefer to avoid narcotic pain meds for now. I may need them in 20 yrs though as the arthritic pain may get worse over time.

[ayin jade]

It seems that in the US doctors believe that the pill can solve problems. They do not solve anything, just mask them, especially pain meds. They do not remove the reason for the pain, they just mask the pain. People are so use to "feeling good" that they automatically reach for the meds when they start feeling bad.

Actually a problem with antibiotics explains what happens with pain meds too. People visit the doctor and expect a prescription. They get upset at spending money to see the doc and not getting something out of it. This causes abuse of antibiotics. A similar situation occurs with pain meds. Folks demand it. Doctors, pharmacists etc are constantly keeping tabs on patients to see who is abusing them and who isnt. Currently there is about to be a database set up by state to keep tabs on narcotic prescriptions. Patients often doctor shop and pharmacy shop, getting multiple prescriptions for narcotics from different doctors and filling them at several pharmacies. Pharmacists are often contacting doctors to verify prescriptions for narcotics and the docs in return have often canceled the prescriptions once they discover that a patient has gotten a similar one the day before. There are some bad doctors out there that promote abuse of these meds, but most doctors are trying hard to stop the abuse.

[Guest]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I too am pleased that your leg is still there, many have lost not only a leg but all limbs.

Please don't tell me you are advocating that doctors should not use pain killers and modern day medicine to help pain relief which has come on by leaps and bound since the 60's. ?

Perhaps we could go back to the days of not using anesthetics to saw off limbs as they did in Nelson's time.

With no pain relief before or after, just give them a bottle of rum and tell them it will pass.

I am not saying don't use pain killers, but I am interested why the USA uses 80% of the worlds production of them?

Although I Believe The Authors And The Broadcasters Of This "Report" Are Anti-America And Anti-Freedom And NOT Anti-Pain Or Torture, Here Is Another View Point On Third World Suffering. I Know Most Of There "Poor" Countries Seem To Have Plenty Of Funds For Weapons And Reloads But Still They Show Little Concern For The Suffering Of Their Peoples

Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man. Psalms 71:4

Anyone who has been given painkillers for a sore back, or a morphine drip after surgery, should consider themselves lucky. While morphine is the standard treatment is most Western hospitals, more than half the countries in the world have little to no access to these drugs. Millions of patients around the globe suffer long-term illnesses in excruciating pain.

Unlike so many global health problems, pain treatment is not about money or a lack of drugs, since morphine costs pennies per dose. The culprits are bureaucratic hurdles and the chilling effect of the global war on drugs. ...

[MissPlaced_56]

It seems that in the US doctors believe that the pill can solve problems. They do not solve anything, just mask them, especially pain meds. They do not remove the reason for the pain, they just mask the pain. People are so use to "feeling good" that they automatically reach for the meds when they start feeling bad.

Actually a problem with antibiotics explains what happens with pain meds too. People visit the doctor and expect a prescription. They get upset at spending money to see the doc and not getting something out of it. This causes abuse of antibiotics. A similar situation occurs with pain meds. Folks demand it. Doctors, pharmacists etc are constantly keeping tabs on patients to see who is abusing them and who isnt. Currently there is about to be a database set up by state to keep tabs on narcotic prescriptions. Patients often doctor shop and pharmacy shop, getting multiple prescriptions for narcotics from different doctors and filling them at several pharmacies. Pharmacists are often contacting doctors to verify prescriptions for narcotics and the docs in return have often canceled the prescriptions once they discover that a patient has gotten a similar one the day before. There are some bad doctors out there that promote abuse of these meds, but most doctors are trying hard to stop the abuse.

Ayin Jade,

OOOO how i wish these safeguards had been in place when I was a child,for you see my maternal grandmother( i'm not real sure what she was suffering from, because we as children were shealtered from this kind of information, to insure that we could have a normal childhood free from the ill's of this world..for this I do thank my parents!) BUT grandma was able to go from one doctor to another and get ALOT of meds, that really shouldn't have been mixed, because one doctor DIDN'T know that the other was prescribing for grandma, eventually these meds caused Grandma to have harding of the arteries, which caused her to be less then lucid most of the time and eventually caused her death in May of 1980.

[MissPlaced_56]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I live with pain every day. Some days worse than others. For a couple of years just walking in the house was a struggle. Now Im able to walk about a mile (with pain) and I am not crippled the next day at least. That is a huge improvement for me. I am having new pain as well. A neuro pain in my left leg similar to an old pain diagnosed as meralgia paresthetica in my right leg. Ive learned non medicinal ways of coping with my pain. Polar fleece helps. Avoiding certain movements etc. But the fact remains that I hurt every day. It is what it is. I prefer to avoid narcotic pain meds for now. I may need them in 20 yrs though as the arthritic pain may get worse over time.

Ayin Jade,

I can totaly understand this,and completely idenify with this,there isn't a day in my life that i'm not greated with pain...and you do learn to cope with it,

due to artheritis in my knees i had my left knee replaced in April of 2010( April Fools Day no less..LOL)recovery from this was so very painful,usually you rest a hurting leg, BUT not so with a knee replacement, you are forced to work that knee,THANK GOD for pain killers!..some times i would wake in the middle of the night in such pain and take one of my pain killers and as i cried because of the pain i would pray and ask GOD to please please help me ..it occured to me on one of these night's as my sweet hubby was racin around to get me something to put in my stomach, so the pain killers wouldn't upset my stomach amd i waiting for the pain to subside, that there are people in third world countries that aren't as lucky,they DON"T have pain killers, they are forced to endure their pain...I prayed for them and then told myself to stop bein such a big baby..LOL

no sooner then I was back up on my feet, I had a cyst that absessed,let's just say i spent 9 days in the hospital....they were very concerned about me....I spent month's tied to a wound vac bed ridden unable to do anything for myself and unable to sit,I THANK GOD for the excellent care that i received from the hospital, my doctors( who didn't tell me just how serious this was until i was just about healed!!) The beautiful home health care

nurses that were so compassionate and genuinely caring,To my very sweet Husband and my awsome daughter and i'm also greatful for the pain killers,

during that time peroid( It didn't come to stay it came to pass!!) I completely lost everything that I had gained in my left knee and had to start from scratch again,doing this i had to overuse my right leg to compensate for my left leg, this has all caused nerve damage in my right leg, so it hurts everyday, for this I take tylenol every 6 hours....

Now before anybody feels the need to "Warn me about the use of tylenol" I'm under a Doctor's care He is well aware of this and my livers fine..THANK YOU LORD JESUS!!

Ayin Jade you may benefit from the use of "alfalfa" Tablets, they do wonders for artheritis!!

they don't cure it most of the time but sometimes they do, at the very least they make artheritis less noticable!

and there natural so no side affect's, they do however flush your system. so if somebosy's taking say Blood Pressure meds, then check with you're Doctor FIRST!

I can havecomplete compassion for those hurting..add to this laundry list a partially hernaited and a fully herniated disk in my lower back, I'm a pretty "Jacked Up " unit...LOL

BUT I chose to laugh rather then cry..as i learned from a some very sweet woman that GOD put in my life for a time such as this..GOD Is So Good!!

1) you can't keep a good woman down

2) additude is everything...this from a woman who was still bald from radiation and chemo for breast cancer!!

I used to ask GOD why me??...why not me??? when we truely look at the life of CHRIST and everything that HE endured for our sakes..HIS life was NO bed of roses, and HE never promised us that ours would be either..the "Promise" was that HE would stay by my side through everything!!..and HE has shown HIMSELF FAITHFUL ALWAYS!!

Super Natural healing would be nice....BUT it's not necessary, HE can use me just as I am......This and the loss of both of my parents if nothing else has brought me closer to HIm then i've ever been , so i really can't complain..ive been blessed!

[MissPlaced_56]

The question that begs to be asked is, why not legal weed instead, if it is less harmful than the opiates?

There's a stigma attached to marijuana. A false belief that everyone that smokes pot becomes so high and disoriented that they have no control over mind and body.

A movie was made back in the 30s called "Reefer Madness" that pretty much explains that stigma. It's on youtube, check it out.

I smoke pot because of the nausea associated with my illness. I was given some of the best legal drugs in the world to treat this condition and all they did was make me sicker. When I smoke I rarely get stoned and when I do, the affects are gone within an hour. And no, I don't drive while under the influence.

As was stated, marijuana is not much of a pain killer. In pill form it does help in some instances. I tried it once and it messed me up so bad I don't ever want to feel that way again.

man,

I personally have no problem with the use of maraijuana when used for medicional purposes...Cancer patience for example this is probably a better solution for neausea then the use of the other drugs available for this, and helps them to have an appetite so they can give their body the fuel it needs to fight......and it's a natural sedative( has a calming effect),,,

where it's legal to prescribe it for cancer patience, it's prescribed and is alot stronger then street maraijuana...but then some street maraijuana is some pretty strong stuff too from what i understand....BUT the whole point i'm making here is that for medical reason's it should be legal...BUT not for recreational use!!

with my laundry list of medical issues i could lite up a joint...BUT I'm not about to do that my medical issues don't requer this....so that would be abuse of a controlled substance..which up to this point isn't controlled and thats part of the problem..those that could benefit from ot usually can't get it unless they find a dealer and thats taking an awful risk, not only legally, but if the dealer isn't an honest one, who knows what's been added to the pot?? Opiates??...

[MissPlaced_56]

OOOO how i wish these safeguards had been in place when I was a child,for you see my maternal grandmother( i'm not real sure what she was suffering from, because we as children were shealtered from this kind of information, to insure that we could have a normal childhood free from the ill's of this world..for this I do thank my parents!) BUT grandma was able to go from one doctor to another and get ALOT of meds, that really shouldn't have been mixed, because one doctor DIDN'T know that the other was prescribing for grandma, eventually these meds caused Grandma to have harding of the arteries, which caused her to be less then lucid most of the time and eventually caused her death in May of 1980.

Dementia and atherosclerosis aren't normally associated with prescription drug abuse, but simply with age. Diet and genetics would have more to do with it than drugs.

Eisleben, I'm well aware that this is usually the case, BUT in My grandma's case it was the combo of drugs that she had been taking for decades....

as my doctor says "any pill can do anything"

In the wrong combination they can cause serious problems....