The War On Guns

[The_Patriot21]

why would they have to create the sandy hook shooting? school shootings happen quite regularly, all they had to do was wait for one that would fit with their agenda. they just took advantage of a particularly horrendouse one.

[other one]

First they passed Patriot Act to give themselves theright to monitor people without warrant. Then they enpower themselves with theNDAA to detain citizens for life without due process. To deal with the expectedresistence from people, they created Sandy Hook shooting to take over the gunsbefore they perform such law. Don't you realize it?

Can you show me in the NDAA where the government can detain you for life without due process??

[rjp34652]

Within the past year there have been several incidences that deals with the issues of guns..

The most impoartant of these incidences was that of Sandy Hook School.

Guns have been getting out of control and something needs to be done to stop this violence.

Yesterday was an incident again in Aurora Co. where the movie theater incident happened.

http://www.9news.com...Aurora-shootout

Now children are in fear where they are now wearing armored clothing, people are afraid to go shopping,

some even fear going to work and to church.

What in your opinion should happen to these guns? Should it be in control of the people still or just the government?

What do you believe should happen and how fast should it happen?

http://news.msn.com/...school-shooting

It isn't about gun control. It never was. The government wants the guns. All of them. Period.

But it doesn't stop there......

The latest debate is gun control, but peripheral issues are the size of a soda drink in NYC, whether or not you can use a styrofoam container or not and so on.

The real issue is the nanny state gone wild, what earlier generations called governmental oppression and tyranny.

The government wants to decide how we will and will not live. The government will decide what's good for us and what isn't. Be careful on this one, because the government has already decided that certain expressions of Christian faith are already illegal. When the government gets control it never lets go.

Bear in mind that this is the same government that lied about Iran having WMDs, that sends drone aircraft to bomb and kill innocent civilians in allied nations of the middle east, that still maintains a prison camp in Cuba holding and torturing men without trial. This is the same government that covers up its duplicity in its own terrorist activity.

And we are to trust Washington with our liberties?

There is an old saying that you get the government you deserve. America has turned its back on God and told Jesus to hit the road. So He has.

Is it a coincidence that at the same time we turned our back on God we also lost our liberty and our security?

God no longer blesses America. Those that still think so are dreaming. One tragedy is following another in quick succession and the only thing the church is doing about it is debating gay marriage - a rather dead issue in the face of more important matters. Keep talking and debating America. We'll talk and jabber ourselves straight to hell.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

[katsung47]

First they passed Patriot Act to give themselves theright to monitor people without warrant. Then they enpower themselves with theNDAA to detain citizens for life without due process. To deal with the expectedresistence from people, they created Sandy Hook shooting to take over the gunsbefore they perform such law. Don't you realize it?

Can you show me in the NDAA where the government can detain you for life without due process??

Quote, "Congress Approves Provisions for Indefinite Arrests and Detention of US Citizens

, SF Conservative Examiner

December 18, 2011

Enemies of the People & U.S. Constitution; Congressional Traitors Approved Provisions for Indefinite Arrests, and Detentions of U.S. Citizens, with no Due Processes, Mainly Those Who Criticize Government:

S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, attacks on our liberties was passed to the dismay of Libertarians all over.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-san-francisco/congress-approves-provisions-for-indefinite-arrests-and-detention-of-us-citizens

[other one]

First they passed Patriot Act to give themselves theright to monitor people without warrant. Then they enpower themselves with theNDAA to detain citizens for life without due process. To deal with the expectedresistence from people, they created Sandy Hook shooting to take over the gunsbefore they perform such law. Don't you realize it?

Can you show me in the NDAA where the government can detain you for life without due process??

Quote, "Congress Approves Provisions for Indefinite Arrests and Detention of US Citizens

, SF Conservative Examiner

December 18, 2011

Enemies of the People & U.S. Constitution; Congressional Traitors Approved Provisions for Indefinite Arrests, and Detentions of U.S. Citizens, with no Due Processes, Mainly Those Who Criticize Government:

S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, attacks on our liberties was passed to the dismay of Libertarians all over.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-san-francisco/congress-approves-provisions-for-indefinite-arrests-and-detention-of-us-citizens

No I mean show me in the NDAA. I've read a couple of hundred places where what is said is true, but it's not what the NDAA says unless they changed it this year.

[AmateurPoet03]

I am not a owner of guns. It is doubtful I ever will be. Not a fan or supporter of them, but will by no means condemn a person who owns such and strives to protect his or her loved ones. That sort of weight, the weight of a life.... should be considered fully before pulling the trigger in any instance. Know some good people who own firearms. Truth be told though, guns scare me, much as they do many other individuals in this day and age. What is more frightening however is who is being allowed to own or carry them. No law though in which that may be passed is going to necessarily keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.

These are are my thoughts, but guns have become more and more prominently used in acts of random violence since God began to be removed from schools, public, and government. The more trust that is given to man, the deeper in trouble mankind tends to find itself.

[Gandalf]

A gun is not any more dangerous then its owner. Gun violence does not exist-a gun can only do one of two things, function, or misfire. violence is in the heart. until you change the heart, you will not change violence.

Maybe not, but you are a fool to let a madman have a gun!

[The_Patriot21]

If never let a madman have a gun-no one would. But your a fool if you think banning guns will keep madmen from getting guns-all it will do is take away the honest mans ability to protect himself from the madman with a gun. The bad people will always have guns-period. Gun control ONLY affects the honest. And 90% of the time the only thing that stops a madman with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

[Taker]

I feel like one of the major problems In America is not our access to guns but our view on guns. Here, it is relatively easy to buy a firearm so long as you don't have a bad criminal record. The problem is our view on guns, many people are afraid to own a gun because of the news. Many people say "why would I ever need a gun" then, when someone breaks into their house all of a sudden security is a big issue. Many people can go from gun control supporters to NRA members by the single pull of a trigger. By that I mean they support gun control, shoot a gun, realize how fun it is, then demand that their second amendment rights not be stepped upon.

 

Weather you support or oppose gun control we all want the same thing, less shootings, less violent crimes. The truth is that we could have all of these things without touching our gun laws. We need a better justice system that puts dangerous criminals behind bars longer. Many people point out how England has less crime than America and also has strict gun-control policies. Well, that's because their justice system works.

 

Whenever the Media reports another shooting they keep saying things like "we're better than this" or "when will we learn". They want to convince us that taking away our guns is the correct solution. Well, when gun supporters offer a different solution, such as allowing teachers to conceal carry on school property so that they can play an active role in protecting the students, they say "well that's idiotic and dangerous" instead of considering the solution with an open mind. In other words, they plea for a solution to the violence but when the solution that is proposed isn't gun control they immediately shoot it down.

 

The only people who are truly afraid of guns are criminals. You know, politicians who want more control over the people. Most of them have bodyguards and some even ride around in armored vehicles with military-level protection at all times. Do you think they worry about a kid with a 9mm shooting them up?

 

Here is a well written article If you want further reading. To summarize, it takes the 10 most popular arguments for gun control and proves that they are no more than just myths.

http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

[Gandalf]

I feel like one of the major problems In America is not our access to guns but our view on guns. Here, it is relatively easy to buy a firearm so long as you don't have a bad criminal record. The problem is our view on guns, many people are afraid to own a gun because of the news. Many people say "why would I ever need a gun" then, when someone breaks into their house all of a sudden security is a big issue. Many people can go from gun control supporters to NRA members by the single pull of a trigger. By that I mean they support gun control, shoot a gun, realize how fun it is, then demand that their second amendment rights not be stepped upon.

 

Weather you support or oppose gun control we all want the same thing, less shootings, less violent crimes. The truth is that we could have all of these things without touching our gun laws. We need a better justice system that puts dangerous criminals behind bars longer. Many people point out how England has less crime than America and also has strict gun-control policies. Well, that's because their justice system works.

 

Whenever the Media reports another shooting they keep saying things like "we're better than this" or "when will we learn". They want to convince us that taking away our guns is the correct solution. Well, when gun supporters offer a different solution, such as allowing teachers to conceal carry on school property so that they can play an active role in protecting the students, they say "well that's idiotic and dangerous" instead of considering the solution with an open mind. In other words, they plea for a solution to the violence but when the solution that is proposed isn't gun control they immediately shoot it down.

 

The only people who are truly afraid of guns are criminals. You know, politicians who want more control over the people. Most of them have bodyguards and some even ride around in armored vehicles with military-level protection at all times. Do you think they worry about a kid with a 9mm shooting them up?

 

Here is a well written article If you want further reading. To summarize, it takes the 10 most popular arguments for gun control and proves that they are no more than just myths.

http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

Tell that (bold) to the parents of shot children.