The Ten Virgins - What is the parable about? Matt 25

[back2thebible]

If you notice the whole teaching of all three of these parables (the faithful and evil servant) (wise and foolish virgins) (parable of talents) Is the same in each parable.............To be prepared, and to be doing the will of God

Hi back2thebible,

Welcome to worthy!

I agree with your statement above. But what do you believe the servants need to be prepared for, the rapture or the second coming?

prepared to meet the bridegroom (Jesus)

I have to say my biggest disagreement with interpretations of the wise and foolish virgins has to do with the analogy that the wise virgins had the (Holy Spirit) oil and the foolish did not

as we see they all were virgins, they all were waiting for the return, the Holy Spirit is not a comodity that can be bought or sold nor is it able to run out or be used up.

we see the wise directing the foolish to go buy some Oil (Holy Spirit) from a someone who sells Oil (Holy Spirit) this just is not a good interpretation

rather we see that some in the church are living in such away that they are unprepared for the return of Christ

while biblically Oil is always a representation of the Holy Spirit, in this case its just oil

The alternative is to say some Christians asked others to help us recieve the Holy Spirit and the Spirit filled Christians denied them saying there wasn't enough Holy Spirit to get them all saved as if the Holy Spirit is a limited power like a battery and can only last for so long

[Guest]

I would like to ask when have virgins ever been attributed to unsaved people?

there may be no other precedents, do there need to be? Let me ask you this, will the bridegroom say to beleivers: ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ ? (Verse 12)

[rollinTHUNDER]

If you notice the whole teaching of all three of these parables (the faithful and evil servant) (wise and foolish virgins) (parable of talents) Is the same in each parable.............To be prepared, and to be doing the will of God

Hi back2thebible,

Welcome to worthy!

I agree with your statement above. But what do you believe the servants need to be prepared for, the rapture or the second coming?

prepared to meet the bridegroom (Jesus)

I have to say my biggest disagreement with interpretations of the wise and foolish virgins has to do with the analogy that the wise virgins had the (Holy Spirit) oil and the foolish did not

as we see they all were virgins, they all were waiting for the return, the Holy Spirit is not a comodity that can be bought or sold nor is it able to run out or be used up.

we see the wise directing the foolish to go buy some Oil (Holy Spirit) from a someone who sells Oil (Holy Spirit) this just is not a good interpretation

rather we see that some in the church are living in such away that they are unprepared for the return of Christ

while biblically Oil is always a representation of the Holy Spirit, in this case its just oil

The alternative is to say some Christians asked others to help us recieve the Holy Spirit and the Spirit filled Christians denied them saying there wasn't enough Holy Spirit to get them all saved as if the Holy Spirit is a limited power like a battery and can only last for so long

I agree. I think people tend to focus too much on the oil and what it represents. It seems that no one even notices that all ten virgins had lamps. The Bible says that God's Word is a lamp unto our feet, so I believe that all ten virgins knew God's Word. The difference is the oil the wise had. The wise were ready because of their preparation in God's Word. They were doers. I believe the foolish ones are also saved. They believed too, but they were too busy doing other things. So when the Bridegroom shows up, He recognizes those that followed His commands. But He doesn't recognize those who went off doing their own thing.

John 14:21

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Notice where Christ said that He would show Himself to them who keep His commands. I believe this is, yet, another clue about His appearing (rapture), not His second coming to the earth. This verse also happens to be from the same chapter where Jesus was telling His disciples that He was going away to prepare a place for them, that He would come again and receive them to Himself, that where He was, they would be also (John 14:1-3).

So what happens to the foolish virgins at this point? The wise told them to go buy from those who sell. The trouble is that because they were not ready, they will probably enter into the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world, to test those that dwell upon the earth. Unfortunately, during this time, no one will be able to buy or sell unless they take the mark of the beast. The foolish virgins will know that this is not an option, so they will be overcome by the beast (Rev.13:7-18) and become martyrs (Rev.20:4). But God will not pour out His wrath until after all of the martyrs are killed (Rev.6:9-11).

[rollinTHUNDER]

I would like to ask when have virgins ever been attributed to unsaved people?

there may be no other precedents, do there need to be? Let me ask you this, will the bridegroom say to beleivers: ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ ? (Verse 12)

Hi Omegaman,

Look closely to what happens to the believer in Verse 46 below.

Luke 12:35-48

“Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, ³⁶ like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. ³⁷ It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. ³⁸ It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak. ³⁹ But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. ⁴⁰ You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

⁴¹ Peter asked, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”

⁴² The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? ⁴³ It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. ⁴⁴ Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. ⁴⁵ But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. ⁴⁶ The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

⁴⁷ “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. ⁴⁸ But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

It's very interesting to see that the believers who are ready will go to the wedding supper and be served by the Bridegroom, Himself. But the ones who are not prepared will be cut off and stay with the unbelievers. This should be an eye-opener for those who believe the entire church will go in the rapture.

[gdemoss]

I would like to ask when have virgins ever been attributed to unsaved people?

there may be no other precedents, do there need to be? Let me ask you this, will the bridegroom say to beleivers: ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ ? (Verse 12)

A question with a question eh. He just might. God did ask Adam where are you? So he may tell some believers I do not know you. What that means I would assume we should be careful in attempting to assume. We are so quick to throw people in hell that we may be missing the greater point. Disclaimer: my comment does not mean that people will not go to Hell, but that we make the mistake of assuming everything that Christ says in judgement means Hell. This is an error on our part.

"I never knew you." To understand this phrase, I had to have God build a foundation for me. Gen 4:1, Eph 5:31-32, John 14:23, 1 Cor 11:7, John 1:12. Put the pieces of the puzzle together. I know without a shadow of a doubt that I will not hear those words "I never knew you." as I have first prepared myself to receive, then cried out for him to come, waited for his arrival, received my dove unto me. 1 Cor 8:13, John 14:15. We either are known of him or we are not.

The five foolish had no oil for their lamps. Jesus is the light of the world. He is the oil in the lamp through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. When one touched Jesus, he felt virtue go out of him. The foolish wanted the wise to give them their oil. Not so said the wise. The Holy Spirit is given by God unto those who prepare themselves to receive and ask. The foolish virgins sat in the church pews singing lies on Sunday. They parroted the things they heard in church of the word of God without living the life. They were preachers of righteousness but did not set their hearts to receive. They gave 10% into the plate. They dreamed about heaven. They told many that Jesus was the way, the truth and the life while denying the very one they preached his body. In the end, they will be denied because they denied him as he cannot deny himself.

Let us be wise knowing the will of the Lord is our sanctification and that that sanctification can only come by the washing of the water of the Word through the Holy Spirit. Got Oil?

[back2thebible]

If you notice the whole teaching of all three of these parables (the faithful and evil servant) (wise and foolish virgins) (parable of talents) Is the same in each parable.............To be prepared, and to be doing the will of God

Hi back2thebible,

Welcome to worthy!

I agree with your statement above. But what do you believe the servants need to be prepared for, the rapture or the second coming?

prepared to meet the bridegroom (Jesus)

I have to say my biggest disagreement with interpretations of the wise and foolish virgins has to do with the analogy that the wise virgins had the (Holy Spirit) oil and the foolish did not

as we see they all were virgins, they all were waiting for the return, the Holy Spirit is not a comodity that can be bought or sold nor is it able to run out or be used up.

we see the wise directing the foolish to go buy some Oil (Holy Spirit) from a someone who sells Oil (Holy Spirit) this just is not a good interpretation

rather we see that some in the church are living in such away that they are unprepared for the return of Christ

while biblically Oil is always a representation of the Holy Spirit, in this case its just oil

The alternative is to say some Christians asked others to help us recieve the Holy Spirit and the Spirit filled Christians denied them saying there wasn't enough Holy Spirit to get them all saved as if the Holy Spirit is a limited power like a battery and can only last for so long

I agree. I think people tend to focus too much on the oil and what it represents. It seems that no one even notices that all ten virgins had lamps. The Bible says that God's Word is a lamp unto our feet, so I believe that all ten virgins knew God's Word. The difference is the oil the wise had. The wise were ready because of their preparation in God's Word. They were doers. I believe the foolish ones are also saved. They believed too, but they were too busy doing other things. So when the Bridegroom shows up, He recognizes those that followed His commands. But He doesn't recognize those who went off doing their own thing.

John 14:21

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Notice where Christ said that He would show Himself to them who keep His commands. I believe this is, yet, another clue about His appearing (rapture), not His second coming to the earth. This verse also happens to be from the same chapter where Jesus was telling His disciples that He was going away to prepare a place for them, that He would come again and receive them to Himself, that where He was, they would be also (John 14:1-3).

So what happens to the foolish virgins at this point? The wise told them to go buy from those who sell. The trouble is that because they were not ready, they will probably enter into the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world, to test those that dwell upon the earth. Unfortunately, during this time, no one will be able to buy or sell unless they take the mark of the beast. The foolish virgins will know that this is not an option, so they will be overcome by the beast (Rev.13:7-18) and become martyrs (Rev.20:4). But God will not pour out His wrath until after all of the martyrs are killed (Rev.6:9-11).

The only thing I disagree with you on is what happened to the foolish virgins, when the door is shut, it is the end of the road, there are no more chances to get right, or get prepared.............this is also why the left behind series is in error, if your left behind your end has been decided

[back2thebible]

I would like to ask when have virgins ever been attributed to unsaved people?

there may be no other precedents, do there need to be? Let me ask you this, will the bridegroom say to beleivers: ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ ? (Verse 12)

Hi Omegaman,

Look closely to what happens to the believer in Verse 46 below.

Luke 12:35-48

“Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, ³⁶ like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. ³⁷ It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. ³⁸ It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak. ³⁹ But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. ⁴⁰ You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

⁴¹ Peter asked, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”

⁴² The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? ⁴³ It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. ⁴⁴ Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. ⁴⁵ But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. ⁴⁶ The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

⁴⁷ “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. ⁴⁸ But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

It's very interesting to see that the believers who are ready will go to the wedding supper and be served by the Bridegroom, Himself. But the ones who are not prepared will be cut off and stay with the unbelievers. This should be an eye-opener for those who believe the entire church will go in the rapture.

EXACTLY!

[back2thebible]

I would like to ask when have virgins ever been attributed to unsaved people?

there may be no other precedents, do there need to be? Let me ask you this, will the bridegroom say to beleivers: ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ ? (Verse 12)

A question with a question eh. He just might. God did ask Adam where are you? So he may tell some believers I do not know you. What that means I would assume we should be careful in attempting to assume. We are so quick to throw people in hell that we may be missing the greater point. Disclaimer: my comment does not mean that people will not go to Hell, but that we make the mistake of assuming everything that Christ says in judgement means Hell. This is an error on our part.

"I never knew you." To understand this phrase, I had to have God build a foundation for me. Gen 4:1, Eph 5:31-32, John 14:23, 1 Cor 11:7, John 1:12. Put the pieces of the puzzle together. I know without a shadow of a doubt that I will not hear those words "I never knew you." as I have first prepared myself to receive, then cried out for him to come, waited for his arrival, received my dove unto me. 1 Cor 8:13, John 14:15. We either are known of him or we are not.

The five foolish had no oil for their lamps. Jesus is the light of the world. He is the oil in the lamp through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. When one touched Jesus, he felt virtue go out of him. The foolish wanted the wise to give them their oil. Not so said the wise. The Holy Spirit is given by God unto those who prepare themselves to receive and ask. The foolish virgins sat in the church pews singing lies on Sunday. They parroted the things they heard in church of the word of God without living the life. They were preachers of righteousness but did not set their hearts to receive. They gave 10% into the plate. They dreamed about heaven. They told many that Jesus was the way, the truth and the life while denying the very one they preached his body. In the end, they will be denied because they denied him as he cannot deny himself.

Let us be wise knowing the will of the Lord is our sanctification and that that sanctification can only come by the washing of the water of the Word through the Holy Spirit. Got Oil?

look carefully the wise and the foolish virgins both had oil in their lamps at the start of the story, they both had the Holy Spirit, the only difference was the foolish virgins were running low on (Holy Spirit) and couldn't find a fresh infilling?

Edited March 31, 2013 by back2thebible

[gdemoss]

look carefully the wise and the foolish virgins both had oil in their lamps at the start of the story, they both had the Holy Spirit

At your request, I went back to take a careful look. I do not see what you do. I see the foolish tell the wives that their lamps had gone out but why ought I to believe anything the foolish say? I see no reason to believe they ever had oil to begin with.

[OneLight]

Being Easter Sunday, this will not be one long rebuttal, but bits and pieces as I have the time.

It is not an assumption, but a fact. Those who do follow the Pre-Trib idea take this out of context and claim it is a last of a different series of trumpets, not really the last trumpet scripture tells us it is. There is not any indication that there are separate trumpets outside of the 7 trumpets of Revelation when pertaining to the rapture.

Scripture tells us that the Last Trumpet is the Last Trumpet.

By the way, where is the "Last Trumpet Call from God" found in scripture?

The tribulation that is coming, one that this world has never seen before, yes, even the martyrs.

Even if the Trumpets are according to the Feast of Trumpets, tell me why the Last Trumpet cannot be during that time?

I believe the issues is what is, and when is, the Last Trumpet. If it is as scripture points to, the Sevent Trumpet, then yes, He will protect His own.

The First Resurrection does not happen until Jesus Returns, as shown in scripture.

No, it is based on what the scripture tells us, at the Last Trumpet. Because of you refusing to accept scripture at face value, you use your own understanding to make a logical assumption that calling us back home is a lot easier then Him protecting us. To think otherwise limits God

I would also challenge you to show in scripture that God does not protect His people when they have to go through something

I am surprised at you, I thought you were wiser than you have shown here.

First I challenged you to support with scripture the assumptions that you make and you failed 100% ,

First you claim:

The First Resurrection does not happen until Jesus Returns, as shown in scripture. post #70

But yet here in Matthew 27:52-53

King James Version (KJV)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

This is the 2nd time I have shown you this and because you can't prove it wrong you choose to ignore the facts that show you that you are in error. shows that you do not have a correct understanding of the topic, you either have not understood what you study or just did not study deep enough or long enough, You may laugh if you want to but you have shown your error in how you study or you would not be saying what you do, I apologize if it seems I am being hard about this I am not trying to be but; it is just that every time you say things like you have about this and the rapture you indicate your opionion is fact, you always ask others to show scripture reference to prove their point which is fine , but you should do the same and when you can't you duckout of the proof given to you.

Wisdom ... there are two types of wisdom. Wisdom of man and wisdom of God. His wisdom is spoken in scripture. Mans wisdom twists scripture to fit their doctrine. What you have shown me is your doctrine, which is not in agreement with scripture. The proof is in His word.

Revelation 20:4-6

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Through mans wisdom, men try to say that the first resurrection took place some other time then what His word tells us. Your argument is not with me, but with scripture.