drinking

[O'Dannyboy]

Hang on, hang on.

Was Jesus' first miracle not turning water into wine? That wasn't just for decoration or too show off was it? Would Jesus really encourage people to sin by drinking?

In those days wine was safer to drink than water. The occasion you speak of was a wedding dinner/reception which is, as far as I know, a celebration. Excess is the sin, not the wine itself. Wine in excess weakens your mind and senses and makes you vulnerable and easily tempted.

Proverbs 20:1

[darkest_red]

Hang on, hang on.

Was Jesus' first miracle not turning water into wine? That wasn't just for decoration or too show off was it? Would Jesus really encourage people to sin by drinking?

In those days wine was safer to drink than water. The occasion you speak of was a wedding dinner/reception which is, as far as I know, a celebration. Excess is the sin, not the wine itself. Wine in excess weakens your mind and senses and makes you vulnerable and easily tempted.

Proverbs 20:1

[O'Dannyboy]

my point is that if drinking in itself was a sin (and I'm not talking about getting totally drunk, just drinking in moderation) Jesus would not have turned water into alcohol

Sorry Brother/Sister. I must have misunderstood you. I agree with you. He would not have made water into wine if the drinking of wine were itself a sin.

[Guest Thomas I believe]

I think that drinking alchohol is a very dangerous thing for some for others it is not. I have a couple Christian friends that never get drunk but they drink frequently. I have thought about this and wondered if maybe that was the same as the amount consumed. I myself personally like a glass of wine at thanksgiving and maybe a beer at a ballgame but thats the extent of it. If we are truly in accordance with God and letting Him guide us, He will tell us each individually how much is to much. Conviction within is always a good way to trust our decisions and first and foremost we must study the word where it pertains to strong drink. I don't believe there is any differance between beer or wine or whiskey. They all can make us drunk if we drink to much. Anything in excess that extorts and glorifys the flesh is bad. Our Bodys are the vessel of our spirit, and we must respect them and keep them a holy place for God to dwell. Anything to excess I believe is harmful, we must weigh everything out and pray about it and listen for God to guide is in all matters including drinking.

In His Peace , Michael

[dgolvach]

I have to take medication(Ativan 2 mg daily) for a cronic neurological condition and this Benzo-type drug induces a slight mind altering state. I hope God will forgive me. I feel like I'm sinning when I take it but I'm afraid I would be in the looney bend by now if I didn't have it. I don't like to alter my mind because its already a bit wacky on its own. What do you do? Ive been on this med for 6 years. Maybe I should pay Benny Hinn a visit. As far as drinking, don't get drunk! Simple!

[larryt]

Much confusion comes from not looking at the scriptures in depth. In the NT "wine" is translated from only one word in the greek - oinos(3631). Oinos means anything coming from the grapevine, from jam to grape juice to alcoholic wine. To understand the differences a close look at the OT is needed.

yayin 03196 - Most common word for wine in the OT. Means almost the same as the greek oinos. commonly referred to as alcoholic but not exclusively.

shekar 07941 - strong wine, alcoholic.

Pr 20:1

[Guest antitox]

Wine was made possible by the Lord for man as Psalms 104 mentions. Wine was a sacrifice in the O.T. which is evidence that God gave it to man, because it was a drink offering. God required offerings of what He provided Israel. I've heard the "low-alcohol-wine" arguments of some for early Israel and it doesn't fly. That's why the Bible has alot to say about drunkenness and excess.

Jesus drank wine as well as turn water into wine, so if it were wrong, that would mean he sinned, and we know that didn't happen.

At least 2 oz. of wine a day is beneficial to your health. (Cooper Aerobics center)

A glass of wine a day helps prevent heart attack. (Medical report on FoxNews network)

Man abuses good things all the time. In Christendom, we'll write off something in abstinence because of widespread abuse and then say it's our witness. Since sex is abused, are we going to say we have to abstain from it altogether?

I certainly don't push drinking; however, I hate it when the church condemns someone for simply drinking a beer or two. It's the western church mentality, and I think it's a little skewed.

People who have had drinking problems should not drink.

People who can't drink just one drink without having ten drinks shoudn't drink.

[Khristeeanos]

Matthew 11:18-19

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."

Jesus admitted drinking something that caused others to call him a "drunkard."

[thereaperman]

normally every thursday and saturday nite i drink. its normally cider or beer and sometimes vodka. i drink to when i get tipsy. saturday nite i fell asleep becuase id had too much to drink, this was clearly excess and a sin. but if i drink to the boarderline of being tipsy and drunk, is this a sin, knowing i can still hold a conversation and am still in relevent control of my body?

i think drink takes the edge of my very harsh reality sometimes, is this becuse i dont trust god enough to fill in that gap?

[serotta]

The fact that you are asking the question and struggling with the responses is an indication that you are not comfortable with your actions. Rather than looking to the WB community to tell you what is right and wrong, I'd suggest you pray and ask for God's guidance in this matter.