WN: Obama angrily denounces gun-rights groups as willful liars - Wash

[ayin jade]

How do any of those compare with the US, in terms of a political for doing so? Keeping in mind that it would take a Constitutional Amendment to achieve such thing.

The constitution is being shredded.

[revolutionist90]

I'm going to go on the line here and say that I do not believe the government wants to ban all guns (now). At this point I do not believe the people nor members of Congress would allow a full banning of guns. The problem is that there is a lot of demonization coming from both sides but for the sake of the argument I going to point it to those who support Gun control. Here is an article from a News site that obtained the names of all those who own guns WITH PERMITS:

http://gawker.com/5974190/

It's an actual list obtained from the NYPD police department somehow. The new bill wanted to create a national registry that would have been connected federally (like a social security registry). This registry would have had names, permit and would have included information from doctors on if each person on the registry have had some type of illness that would have made them suspicious (and thus needed to turn in their gun). This is a national registry of items that are suppose to be private and protected amendment rights. The fact that the gov can get info from your doctor about any possible mental illnesses that would not allow you to have a gun is an invasion of privacy. Some who support gun control probably don't see a reason to even need guns and might question the necessity for guns so they would support full gun banning. Remember that before this bill there was a bill that Obama was trying to push that would ban almost all semi-automatics (not just assault rifles) which is the majority of guns that people own. People just don't walk around with AK-47s they generally have hand guns or a type of shot gun.

So Obama's previous gun control plan (actually banning some guns)+Gun control supporter being disrespectful (the list from the article is very crude)+ a national registry does not sit well with many people. That is too much government intervention without respectfully dealing with those who do safely own guns and do not support the stringent gun control. They are not all crazy, hicks who want to kill things. There needs to be a debate or respectful dialogue between gun control supporters and gun control opposers instead of Congress trying to go over the head and not listen to the people.

Also a national health care system and a national gun registry are socialistic qualities. Though there is a very small chance that U.S would become completely socialistic it is beginning to have socialistic qualities which generally don't work is a predominately capitalistic society. There are even people in congress who believe in the "It takes a village to raise a child" (Hillary) meaning that the schools should be predominant in child-rearing rather than parents (this was on MSNBC).

Also the state has their own gun laws so why not just pressure the states with lose gun laws or those who just give guns without a permit? I would think that would be an easier solution...

[The_Patriot21]

dont get me started on that ny paper. Publishing names of gun owners is stupid, low handed, and immature. It puts a lot of lives at stake, it really does.

[OneLight]

Maybe then can now focus on the real problem, guns in the hands of those who should not have them.

[ayin jade]

I'm going to go on the line here and say that I do not believe the government wants to ban all guns (now). At this point I do not believe the people nor members of Congress would allow a full banning of guns.

As one example, Pelosi has stated outright that all guns need to be banned. Use google and see that for yourself.

[other one]

It is my understanding that the places that have the most gun violence are places like Chicago where they don't enforce the laws they have. They could take the guns away from most of the people who use them if they just enforced the laws on the books. You do have to confront a bad guy with a gun to do that and they don't seem to have the initiative to do that.

[revolutionist90]

I'm going to go on the line here and say that I do not believe the government wants to ban all guns (now). At this point I do not believe the people nor members of Congress would allow a full banning of guns.

As one example, Pelosi has stated outright that all guns need to be banned. Use google and see that for yourself.

Yeah but Pelosi is one person (slightly crazy person). There are still a lot of people in congress who do not want guns banned as shown with the recent bill. The cup is still half full. So though there are some who do they seem like the extremist in this case (Pelosi is always an extremist to me). As shown with the recent votes for the bill I just don't think the ones who want full banning are going to be given that wish anytime soon. Many republicans and some (or few) democrats are even against national background checks so I highly doubt there would be an increase in support for full banning. I state that as presently though. I do believe since the gov is adopting more socialistic styles that in the future there would be another push to ban all guns but at least not today. And if push comes to shove the supreme court could provide input and I'm sure they would claim gun banning and very unconstitutional ( I don't know why some don't see that now but (shrugs) what can you do about people like Pelosi)

[other one]

Most of the people i know who are against this background bill, simply do not trust our government at all.. Including me...... which means I don't even trust those that are against these bills.

[The_Patriot21]

Even Biden and Obama, have said in the past their goal is a weapons ban. The evidence is out there. No, theyre not going to do an outright ban because theyre not stupid-that would lead to instant civil war-that is, if it even manages to somehow get through the senate and house. So theyre doing it the smart way-theyre going to widdle away at it little by little, make it so difficult for people to own guns and ammo, that many will just get rid of them anyway, and trick people into thinking theyre the problem-and then when they do finally pull the last straw, no one will even notice.

[The_Patriot21]

the US is actually under a republic to be technical. A democracy, everyone votes, on pretty much everything. A republic, the only thing we vote for, are the people who represent us-and they vote for the laws. Just going to point that out.