Gay Christians who choose celibacy.....

[revolutionist90]

 

 

while gluttony is a sin, it did not make the top ten list for sins that will keep you out of the kingdom of heaven

 

 

God has a top ten list of sins? Care to share?

 

Could it be 1 Corinth 6:9-11? If it is specific about the "sins that will keep you out of the gates of heaven" then I think it is reference to this:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God." (I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11).

 

Gluttony is not specifically mentioned but I guess if someone puts food over God then that could be idolatry. 

[revolutionist90]

I think the point that Shiloh could be making is that as stated in the OP the homosexuals do not see their homosexuality as a sin and according to scripture it is that homosexuals cannot make it to the gates of heaven. Could the understanding of scripture and labeling be just another twist of man? Once a person has done something they are labeled either as an alcoholic, adulteress/adulterer, addict, homosexual, bisexual however, when that person decides to leave that lifestyle it is in the past and they no longer carry that label. The weird thing with homosexuality is that it is seen as a life-long type of thing and forever a label like someone's skin color. 1 Corinth is pretty plain in that it calls all homosexuals and does not deviate between homosexuals acts or homosexual identity. Our own labeling have made this complicated because since we see homosexuality as this life long label then it would seem as if they cannot ever go to heaven. The article is vague but instead of calling themselves gay should they call themselves ex-gay? They might not be free but such a claim would state that they do not choose such a lifestyle anymore...

 

If the men labels themselves as gay, see nothing wrong with their choice then their act of celibacy means nothing. And they could be acting on some different type of theology in which simply abstaining from the problem and not confronting the problem is the correct.

But if they do see homosexuality as something wrong, repent and are celibate then that is different. 

[~candice~]

Ok I'm in trouble! I read shilohs comments out of context and took them as a general comment about all people struggling wiht that temptation rather than only being about the specific type in the OP. Shiloh I'm sorry and in context I agree with you. Refusing to call a sin a sin is very troublesome indeed.

[Gandalf]

 

 

 

while gluttony is a sin, it did not make the top ten list for sins that will keep you out of the kingdom of heaven

 

 

God has a top ten list of sins? Care to share?

 

Could it be 1 Corinth 6:9-11? If it is specific about the "sins that will keep you out of the gates of heaven" then I think it is reference to this:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God." (I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11).

 

Gluttony is not specifically mentioned but I guess if someone puts food over God then that could be idolatry. 

 

That's a tough list! How many of us can say we are always clear of every one of those sins, everyday? I guess Paul is saying don't give yourselves over to these things and become embroiled in committing them on a regular basis. Jesus is, of course, even tougher in that He tackles the inner desire for such sins. Can any of us say we are entirely clear of that at all times?

 

How much we need our Saviour's blood! There is no hope without for anyone without its cleansing work.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

while gluttony is a sin, it did not make the top ten list for sins that will keep you out of the kingdom of heaven

 

 

God has a top ten list of sins? Care to share?

 

Could it be 1 Corinth 6:9-11? If it is specific about the "sins that will keep you out of the gates of heaven" then I think it is reference to this:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God." (I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11).

 

Gluttony is not specifically mentioned but I guess if someone puts food over God then that could be idolatry. 

 

That's a tough list! How many of us can say we are always clear of every one of those sins, everyday? I guess Paul is saying don't give yourselves over to these things and become embroiled in committing them on a regular basis. Jesus is, of course, even tougher in that He tackles the inner desire for such sins. Can any of us say we are entirely clear of that at all times?

 

How much we need our Saviour's blood! There is no hope without for anyone without its cleansing work.

 

 

That's funny Gandalf, because I have been emphasing the inner desire for this entire thread   and you keep up an endless, silly  canard about me magnifying one sin over another.  My point in this entire thread is that the Bible commands us  to avoid the sinful desires that motivate us to commit sinful acts.

 

None of us are clear at all times, but that is not the point.  We have the grace of God to pick us when we fail and repent.  But there is a stark difference between failing, at times, in a sincere attempt serve the Lord and rejecting God's assessment of our sin and live as if our sinful desires are not sinful at all.

 

This not about who the biggets sinner is.  You keep trying to throw that red herring into the argument in a attempt to deflect attention from the real issue raised in the OP.

[Gandalf]

Shiloh, why do you feel the need to keep being rude to me?

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, why do you feel the need to keep being rude to me?

What you call "rude,"   I call "honest."   Why do you feel the need to keep misrepresenting what others have been saying in this thread???   Why can't you find muster up the integrity to be honest about what I and others are saying instead of this ongoing stuff about how we are making homosexual sin worse than other sins, even though I (for my part) have repeatedly shown that we are not making such arguments???

[MorningGlory]

 

 

 

 

I would say if you are a believer and have come to know the Lord and believe His words are true, then you would also grasp the dire nature of the situation and realize that its a life or death battle. the seriousness of overcoming such a sin is paramount in entering the kingdom of heaven

 

Okay.....obviously you are a believer, Johnny.  Are YOU able to control sinful thoughts? Are YOU able to simply not think about certain things?  I'd be willing to bet you are not because, if you were able to do that, you would be head and shoulders above the rest of humanity.  It's unproductive to expect others to do what we cannot do ourselves.  God is in control of this and, as I said before, His will be done.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

 

I would say if you are a believer and have come to know the Lord and believe His words are true, then you would also grasp the dire nature of the situation and realize that its a life or death battle. the seriousness of overcoming such a sin is paramount in entering the kingdom of heaven

 

Okay.....obviously you are a believer, Johnny.  Are YOU able to control sinful thoughts? Are YOU able to simply not think about certain things?  I'd be willing to bet you are not because, if you were able to do that, you would be head and shoulders above the rest of humanity.  It's unproductive to expect others to do what we cannot do ourselves.  God is in control of this and, as I said before, His will be done.

 

 

Of course we can control sinful thoughts, IF we want to.

 

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

(2Co 10:3-5)

 

So yes we can control our thoughts.   If we can't control our sinful thoughts, then why would Jesus command us not to lust or to hate?   The very existence of those commandments tells us that we can control what we entertain in our mind.

 

James tells us that each man is tempted when by his own evil desires he dragged away and inticed.   We are to avoid temptation, but if we entertain it, we end up tempting ourselves.  We can say yes or no to evil thoughts.   Just because a thought pops in your head doesn't mean you have accept it.  You have the choice to not accept it.  You have a great amount of control.  Jesus showed us how to control our thoughts and how to respond to evil thoughts and temptations in Matt.4 when He was tempted in wilderness.  We are commanded to renew our minds in Rom. 12:1-2.  

 

Jesus, in the sermon on the mount, told us not to worry, which implies that we can control what we think.   So I would rethink this notion that we have no control over sinful thoughts.  That doesn't measure up to the standard of Scripture.

[MorningGlory]

good post!.......one of satans strongest tactics is trying to make people feel that nobody can control their thoughts, and this is a deception

 

 

 

 

 

I asked you if YOU are able to do this....can you empty your mind of sinful thoughts and keep them out?  IMHO, no one can do it and pretending otherwise is simply not reality.