Did Jesus Claim Divinity or Prophethood?

[seraph]

Nazim... the proof is the Holy Bible. Doesn't the Qur'an tell you to believe what the Bible says?

Surah 29:46 "...we believe in what has been sent down to us and in what has been sent down to you..."

So, do you believe the Bible as the Qur'an says? And if so, how can you believe both when they so clearly contradict each other?

Ephesians 6:12 "For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens."

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"

[Guest Nazim Ali]

This passage clearly shows that we fight satan in this world.

I AGREE WITH YOU %100 , every Muslim has to resist Satan. Whoever says hes a Muslim and kills innocents will be punished for their sins.

People can say what they want about Islam, but the Quran clearly states the rules of war. And those that take the Quranic verses out of context do it on purpose because some SKIP some verses and try to use it against us. Its just pathetic, but o well, thats them.

[Guest Nazim Ali]

Nazim... the proof is the Holy Bible. Doesn't the Qur'an tell you to believe what the Bible says?

Surah 29:46 "...we believe in what has been sent down to us and in what has been sent down to you..."

So, do you believe the Bible as the Qur'an says? And if so, how can you believe both when they so clearly contradict each other?

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salam brother

When people dont read the WHOLE Quran, they easily believe what others write. Now let me post to you ALL the verses talking about this

2.78 And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.

2.79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

29.46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)."

29.47 And thus (it is) that We have sent down the Book to thee. So the People of the Book believe therein, as also do some of these (pagan Arabs): and none but Unbelievers reject our signs.

Al Bukhari

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 614

Narrator: 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah

'Abdullah bin 'Abbas said, "O the group of Muslims! How can you ask the people of the Scriptures about anything while your Book which Allah has revealed to your Prophet contains the most recent news from Allah and is pure and not distorted? Allah has told you that the people of the Scriptures have changed some of Allah's Books and distorted it and wrote something with their own hands and said, 'This is from Allah, so as to have a minor gain for it. Won't the knowledge that has come to you stop you from asking them? No, by Allah, we have never seen a man from them asking you about that (the Book Al-Qur

Edited December 4, 2004 by IslandRose

[ayin jade]

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his

enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word

of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe

and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own

blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father,

forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34)

Prophet Muhammad NEVER said covert or die. Either you bring proof or your just a liar.

Here is one proof. There are others.

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Will add more as I am able to post, given all that I am doing elsewhere tonight.

[ayin jade]

By the way, posting links to places that promote something other than the beliefs of this message board is not allowed. Im sure the board moderators will be contacting you if they have not already.

[ayin jade]

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21)

According to the verses above, since you follow Christianity STRICTLY, you have to kill all the unbelievers if you truly are a Christian

Romans 12:17-21

17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. 20On the contrary:

"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;

if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.

In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

How do these verses tell us to kill all unbelievers?

[ayin jade]

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more than one language

That was a smart thing to say. So now i can explain why. When people read the Quran, they see some errors or contradictions, but when you read it in Arabic and understand the language then youll truly understand the Quran. The Bible has been corrupted because people started writing their own interpretations of the scriptures.

Arabic is a beautiful language and i see nothing wrong with it. Even those who aren't Muslim or speak Arabic admits that.

Shakespeares plays are beautiful too, but that doesn

[Guest Nazim Ali]

How do these verses tell us to kill all unbelievers?

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

They both talk about instances where if you were asked to worship other gods or even started worshipping them, then its the death penalty.

[ayin jade]

Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16

Music diverts you from the way of God. When people listen to music they dent think about God anymore, they only think of themselves or this worldly life.

Apparently the Lord doesn

[ayin jade]

How do these verses tell us to kill all unbelievers?

(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

(Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

They both talk about instances where if you were asked to worship other gods or even started worshipping them, then its the death penalty.

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I asked you specifically relating to the New Testament verse that you posted. Your response was for another passage entirely. The original post is below.

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21)

According to the verses above, since you follow Christianity STRICTLY, you have to kill all the unbelievers if you truly are a Christian

This was the post and your response to that post. How does that verse tell us to kill others?

Romans 12:17-21

17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. 20On the contrary:

"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;

if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.

In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

How does this verse, specifically written for Christians tell us to kill unbelievers?