Morality and government

[MorningGlory]

 

 

If you don't like this country, there is a VERY easy solution - Move.

Is it not every citizen's right and responsibility to try to change what they do not like, rather than opting out?

 

Nope.  If you disagree you must abandon the country, not fight for it.

 

I'm sorry but that statement is simply ridiculous.  Cut and run is the coward's way out. 

[JDavis]

 

 

 

If you don't like this country, there is a VERY easy solution - Move.

Is it not every citizen's right and responsibility to try to change what they do not like, rather than opting out?

 

Nope.  If you disagree you must abandon the country, not fight for it.

 

I'm sorry but that statement is simply ridiculous.  Cut and run is the coward's way out. 

 

I could be wrong, but I think that statement by wonby was sarcasm.

[JDavis]

Morality does not come from the government, the government cannot impose morality on it's people.

 

If we are turning to the government to impose morality, we have lost the battle already.

 

Morality is achieved one person at a time

[Gandalf]

I agree somewhat with that. But, for good or ill, the Government gives leadership. It has media time, it makes and changes laws, it controls huge amounts of funding.

[wonby1]

Morality does not come from the government, the government cannot impose morality on it's people.

 

If we are turning to the government to impose morality, we have lost the battle already.

 

Morality is achieved one person at a time

I have to disagree.

 

All laws involve morality.  They pass laws against "bad" things and make "good" thinks legal.  If not, name one law that is devoid of morality.  You can't do it.

 

The way God wired us is to adopt the morality of an authority figure that we look up to.  This means that we obtain our morality from our parents, the government, clergy, etc.  Whichever authority figure you look up towards the most has the most influence.  That is why you see Nancy Pelosi holding to the party line on abortion while Catholic priests basically excommunicate her from the church.  For her, the party morality on abortion trumps that of the clergy.

 

We also have history to prove what I'm saying here.  Before slavery was made illegal in the 1800's, by in large people thought that it was "OK", even though some thought it suboptimal.  However, after centuries of slavery being illegal, the pendulum has swung the other way.  Now the mere mention of slavery is repugnant to all.

 

Still not convinced?  Look at the public views on abortion.  Before abortion was made legal, by in large most thought it to be immoral.  However, after decades of it being legal, the pendulum has swung the other direction.  Now most tend to say it is "OK", even though it may be suboptimal, much like the slavery issue in reverse.

 

You might say that this makes us lemmings.  The Bible seems to agree by calling us sheep and we all look to a shepherd, like it or not.

Edited July 17, 2013 by wonby1

[wonby1]

 

 

 

 

If you don't like this country, there is a VERY easy solution - Move.

Is it not every citizen's right and responsibility to try to change what they do not like, rather than opting out?

 

Nope.  If you disagree you must abandon the country, not fight for it.

 

I'm sorry but that statement is simply ridiculous.  Cut and run is the coward's way out. 

 

I could be wrong, but I think that statement by wonby was sarcasm.

 

Yes. 

[revolutionist90]

As a student living on a college campus where many students believe socialism, communism and marxism are best for American (even though they have never visited countries who have those systems) I agree that they truly believe the U.S.A is an oppressive, war-mongering and evil capitalist regime. They ignore the essential values that rose America to become a world power. They are normally morally relative so the judeo-christian overtones in main u.s.a culture are seen as prejudice. They believe family is an institution of oppression and the only freedom is the ability to do what they want, when they want without any responsibility. They play the victim card for everything about race to gender to sexuality and many even did their own Occupy wall-street protest while reading scripts from Apple ipads. We need a fundamental transformation and this starts with individuals. The family unit needs to be re-established as being the best type of unit not cohabitation or casual relationships. We need to get back to the judeo-christian roots and realize that all life is sacred. all races are equal and that men and women have always been equal- they just have different pedestals. In my school there is an automatic self-segregation by many. In their wake to cry victim they automatically become prejudice to those who have caused them no oppression. In their cry for tolerance they become bigoted to those who are showing tolerance. And in the end they show their own lack of understanding except their own selfish goals. They take for granted that their freedom to talk, have a different opinion/belief and even dress the way they do is a freedom within itself. I don't think my college peers intend to turn America into a police state because they take for granted their own freedoms to do as they please without repercussion. I do believe they intend to destroy the moral fabric of society because they are amoral due to their moral relativity- they see any morality as judgmental. I don't think they realize that their actions could turn America into a police state so I don't think they have an intention to do so. If their is an intention I think they want to keep their freedoms since they believe they are entitled due to their beliefs but police other groups whom they hate/disagree with in terms of ideological beliefs. They want their cake, eat it and throw it in the face of others. 

 

In terms of the comments about moving to a different country I truly wish many of my peers would move to a socialist/marxist country and experience the type of life they think is so great for u.s.a but even then I believe their pride will just make them think that country just "did it wrong". While it is every citizen's right to change something they do not like but that does not mean their change is good and if they like another country so much then they really should just move to that country. Why suffer in this "oppressive" society when they can just move and experience happiness?

[Gandalf]

As a student living on a college campus where many students believe socialism, communism and marxism are best for American (even though they have never visited countries who have those systems) I agree that they truly believe the U.S.A is an oppressive, war-mongering and evil capitalist regime.

 

 

Maybe they have a point. I suspect most of them do not in reality believe that other regimes are any better, but they see it as hypocritical to claim that the US is seriously better than most other nations, and believe it needs to change. It would concern me hugely if college students were not questioning the prevailing orthodoxy in their own country.

[CAP73]

 

As a student living on a college campus where many students believe socialism, communism and marxism are best for American (even though they have never visited countries who have those systems) I agree that they truly believe the U.S.A is an oppressive, war-mongering and evil capitalist regime.

 

 

Maybe they have a point. I suspect most of them do not in reality believe that other regimes are any better, but they see it as hypocritical to claim that the US is seriously better than most other nations, and believe it needs to change. It would concern me hugely if college students were not questioning the prevailing orthodoxy in their own country.

 

No offense, but why would you suspect that?  Have you been on a college campus in the U.S. lately?  I have and I attended college here nearly twenty years ago, even then the teacher were force feeding this kind of stuff down every students throat.  I would surmise just from talking to college age kids now and what Rev has written, that it has not become any better, but probably is a lot worse than when I was in college.

[revolutionist90]

 

As a student living on a college campus where many students believe socialism, communism and marxism are best for American (even though they have never visited countries who have those systems) I agree that they truly believe the U.S.A is an oppressive, war-mongering and evil capitalist regime.

 

 

Maybe they have a point. I suspect most of them do not in reality believe that other regimes are any better, but they see it as hypocritical to claim that the US is seriously better than most other nations, and believe it needs to change. It would concern me hugely if college students were not questioning the prevailing orthodoxy in their own country.

 

melas said it best but no they do believe communism and socialism are the best systems. But they believe they are better because 1) they have never gone to those countries and 2) they believe that the U.S can somehow trump all other countries and "do it correctly". The fact that they believe that the U.S can trump the history of socialism/communism and still stay a free society is still hypocritical and prideful. In essense they are stating that somehow u.s people can have better ideas that the plethora of other people who had the same ideas that led to the failure of their own countries. Also the questioning is not an analysis it is an indoctrination because they actually do not question- they just repeat.