Split: What... Attitudes: Blameshifting, Critisizing, Controlling, Etc

[Sevenseas]

 

How are we going to get into MORE finger pointing?

 

The Christian needs to STOP pointing fingers.  That is the ENTIRE diversion from the other thread.

 

The Christian really cannot keep on assigning blame to others.  This is something Christians need to work on.

 

It's really not at all confusing.  We all have the opportunity to allow the Holy Spirit to change us from the INSIDE OUT...comparing ourselves to the world is contradictory to how we are to live.

 

 

Actually, that isn't correct.  Biblically, we have a responsibility to point out sin where we see it, and to condemn it as such.  But how we do it is the issue, and a woman nursing her child in a restaurant is not really a sin, or an issue we should be debating or dealing with.  If I see you outside the same restaurant, and I know you, personally, and you are smoking a crack pipe, I am not going to keep walking and not say anything.  To walk away and let you believe smoking your crack pipe is acceptable is not an option. 

 

 

Thanks Cobalt.  I actually did discuss about not winking at sin and in fact, how a woman might be approached in a Christian congregation if she were dressing inappropriately.  It might be buried

in the Encyclopedia Britannica version of the BF thread (breastfeeding).

 

Yeah ~ I'm not advocating denial or love beads here.  I still know which way points up 

 

In the context of previous remarks (mine and others) I don't think I'm missing the mark...I mean I can prob go back and find the posts but  I'm tired right now

 

I did not post much in the other thread....I just kind of parachuted into it here and there....it really kind of developed a life of its own like something you would like to take leave of,

but find yourself oddly attracted to...I'm rambling LOL!  like the thread 

[Sevenseas]

Take this attitude about the modesty and practices of the unsaved and apply it to homosexuality. Still like the outcome?

 

 sorry ~ my brain cells aren't rubber?  say what?

[Sevenseas]

I hope this thread, if it lasts, does not go so far off in left field, that even a shepherd with 2 border collies couldn't get it back on track.........

 

Just gave a perusal to the BF thread......snapped right back like an elastic.  I'm sorry for the exposure to nasty attitudes that many people receive.

 

I personally think that is worse than an unsaved woman showing more of herself then the sanctimonious Christian allows.

 

I've probably said enough.  I'm really trying to be the new mopped up of version of myself.   

[Sevenseas]

OH.  Yay.  You and I should get along just fine.  

 

What's wrong with farm animals?      I'm tired.

 

Good night all.

[GoldenEagle]

Take this attitude about the modesty and practices of the unsaved and apply it to homosexuality. Still like the outcome?

sorry ~ my brain cells aren't rubber? say what?

Yeah I didn't really get it either

Why is it that homosexuality is brought up often in these types of threads? Talk about love and grace... And suddenly homosexuality is the topic at hand...

As if somehow somebody is trying to say that homosexuality isn't sin? I don't think anyone here is saying that.

[GoldenEagle]

Take this attitude about the modesty and practices of the unsaved and apply it to homosexuality. Still like the outcome?

False dichotomy. A woman whom other people think is not properly covered while nursing her child is not comparable to someone practicing sex with a person of the same gender. One is a subjective opinion, the other is not. From a Christian standpoint, the homosexual behavior is always wrong, saved or unsaved and there is no credible debate otherwise. The debate is how we deal with it.

I am not going to approach the nursing woman and tell here that what she is doing is wrong. I don't know her and I have no right to do so.

I am not going to approach the homosexual and tell them that what they are doing is wrong. I don't know them and have no right to do so.

If I know any of the people, in either scenario, on a personal level, I might say something, but the variables are so numerous, either for against that I could not say without actually being in the situation.

Cobalt, I agree with your thoughts and perspective brother. Very good.

Amen!

[~candice~]

OK now that I am not on my phone I can quote a few people and explain where I am getting at.

 

 

 

The point is I can talk until I do not have a voice any longer the problem of immorality is not going to resolved until Christ comes back.In fact I can see it getting even worse.

 

Yes, and I see the parallel between this and talking about the immorality of homosexual acts.

 

 

B. Critisize people to change?

I wonder sometimes if people (particularly Christians dealing with the lost) think that if we criticize people enough they will change? As if somehow our hate and unkind words will force people to change. I experienced this somewhat this week.

(snip)

Why do we want to take from people? Aren't we called to help the weak? How does criticism (with no love) help people change? Love is from God - so why don't we love one another better? God is love.

 

 

Pretty much. We are called to help them. That means physically and spiritually IMHO. 

 

 

Take this attitude about the modesty and practices of the unsaved and apply it to homosexuality. Still like the outcome?

 

 

False dichotomy.  A woman whom other people think is not properly covered while nursing her child is not comparable to someone practicing sex with a person of the same gender.  One is a subjective opinion, the other is not.  From a Christian standpoint, the homosexual behavior is always wrong, saved or unsaved and there is no credible debate otherwise.  The debate is how we deal with it.

 

I am not going to approach the nursing woman and tell here that what she is doing is wrong.  I don't know her and I have no right to do so.

 

I am not going to approach the homosexual and tell them that what they are doing is wrong.  I don't know them and have no right to do so.

 

If I know any of the people, in either scenario, on a personal level, I might say something, but the variables are so numerous, either for against that I could not say without actually being in the situation.

 

 

Hey Eddie. I had moved on to people sinning in general... leveraging off the tone of the posts above. I agree that the parallel with breastfeeding and homosexuality doesn't work and I didn't intend for it to work. I was thinking of "criticising people to force them to change" and "talking til we have no voice". I think it helps to understand that sinners will act like sinners... that includes homosexuals. I'm not saying its not a sin, I am not saying we should stop calling it a sin... but we can keep in mind why they are acting the way they are.

[Willa]

Do you mean that all those times I stood in front of the TV to frustrate hubby when the underware adds came on were futile attempts to control Him? I would agree with you but it was our game.

Our pastor once repremanded us that those of you who stop people in the foyer and tell them that they are not dressed appropriately are NOT doing him any favors!! It is for us to especially extend God's love to those people, realizing that they are either not believers or else they are new believers. God loves them as they are and will guide their taste in clothing as they mature in Christ. He is more concerned about their hearts than what they wear. Once He meets those needs I am sure He will modify their clothing, in His time.

And you better believe I hate those women that can go through 2 pregnancies and hardly gain a pound! It makes me angry. No woman should be able to do that. I envy them, yes. And then there was my mother who struggled all her life to gain weight, while I have had the opposit problem. I don't hate her. But it does cause me to ask God why. Why did You give me the fat genes, Lord? Maybe it is supposed to make me more compassionate toward fat people and keep me from becoming proud. I hope God can bring some good out of it.

Please, just don't talk to me about my attitude toward naturally skinny and healthy athletic women. It makes me pout.

[missmuffet]

People with attitudes who are manipulative,critical and controlling to name a few issues,make me sad.It makes me wonder just what is going on in their own lives to make themselves so difficult to deal with.When someone comes off with a very cruel or hateful attitude and then says "Oh, yes I am a Christian".I am totally confused.

[GoldenEagle]

OK now that I am not on my phone I can quote a few people and explain where I am getting at.

 

 

 

The point is I can talk until I do not have a voice any longer the problem of immorality is not going to resolved until Christ comes back.In fact I can see it getting even worse.

 

Yes, and I see the parallel between this and talking about the immorality of homosexual acts.

 

 

B. Critisize people to change?

I wonder sometimes if people (particularly Christians dealing with the lost) think that if we criticize people enough they will change? As if somehow our hate and unkind words will force people to change. I experienced this somewhat this week.

(snip)

Why do we want to take from people? Aren't we called to help the weak? How does criticism (with no love) help people change? Love is from God - so why don't we love one another better? God is love.

 

 

Pretty much. We are called to help them. That means physically and spiritually IMHO. 

 

I think I see what you're saying

God bess sister.

GE