Hall7 Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,385 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 491 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/25/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2013 Your next question might be "what was the purpose of creating us then", and my opinion would be "in order to defeat evil". We're the mediators sort to speak. 1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourberry Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/19/1974 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Your next question might be "what was the purpose of creating us then", and my opinion would be "in order to defeat evil". We're the mediators sort to speak. 1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! So, you think you are created? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2013 Man was created to love God and have fellowship with Him. You parents - mothers in particular - if you have three children, even when very young you can tell which will listen to you and which one has a rebellious nature. In your heart you know which one is going to love you unconditionally and which one will be a problem and reject your direction and leave you without looking back. Do you think that God who is all knowing does not know which of His children will love and accept His sacrifice and love Him? Yes, He wants all to accept and love Him just as a mother knows deep in her heart her own children. Just so God, before the world was created and when the angels rebelled against Him and were cast from heaven knew who would accept Him and who would rebel against Him and follow His enemy. So did He predestine Yes, by the choice which we all make to accept Jesus and HIs sacrifice the sacrifice of God just so that He would have those who love Him be with HIm for eternity. Why would He want those who don't love Him continue to contend with Him forever? Yes He foreknew and thus predestined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall7 Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,385 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 491 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/25/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2013 Your next question might be "what was the purpose of creating us then", and my opinion would be "in order to defeat evil". We're the mediators sort to speak. 1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! So, you think you are created? Yes, by my mother and father out of their own free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourberry Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/19/1974 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Your next question might be "what was the purpose of creating us then", and my opinion would be "in order to defeat evil". We're the mediators sort to speak. 1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! So, you think you are created? Yes, by my mother and father out of their own free will. I thought mother and father give a birth, not create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall7 Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,385 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 491 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/25/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2013 Your next question might be "what was the purpose of creating us then", and my opinion would be "in order to defeat evil". We're the mediators sort to speak. 1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! So, you think you are created? Yes, by my mother and father out of their own free will. I thought mother and father give a birth, not create. Isn't birth a creation that molds inside the mother's womb that took two people to accomplish so? If so, they created me and God breathed life into me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted October 20, 2013 So, you think you are created? We KNOW we are. Genesis 1:27 (NLT) 27 So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. Psalm 139:13 (NLT) 13 You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Isaiah 42:5 (NLT) 5 God, the Lord, created the heavens and stretched them out. He created the earth and everything in it.He gives breath to everyone, life to everyone who walks the earth. Colossians 1:16 (NKJV) 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I knew at times the bad things my children would do but I didn't discipline them until they did them. What do you say I should have done ? Not having children is a start. The only logical answer I can come up with is that: There is a distinction between: inherent omniscience - the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known. total omniscience - actually knowing everything that can be known. Some modern Christian theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures.[2] Ok, now we're getting somewhere, but all I'm seeing is personal beliefs from theologians. Is there scripture that proves inherent omniscience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall7 Posted October 20, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,385 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 491 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/25/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2013 I knew at times the bad things my children would do but I didn't discipline them until they did them. What do you say I should have done ? Not having children is a start. The only logical answer I can come up with is that: There is a distinction between: inherent omniscience - the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known. total omniscience - actually knowing everything that can be known. Some modern Christian theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures.[2] Ok, now we're getting somewhere, but all I'm seeing is personal beliefs from theologians. Is there scripture that proves inherent omniscience? I'm not sure if there is evidence of that in scriptures. Keep in mind that not all answers can be proven by scriptures, although many can be to the self by spiritual discernment. What does your spirit tell you about the above definitions of Omniscience? Pray about it and see what your spirit tells you afterwards. Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I'm not sure if there is evidence of that in scriptures. Keep in mind that not all answers can be proven by scriptures, although many can be to the self by spiritual discernment. What does your spirit tell you about the above definitions of Omniscience? Pray about it and see what your spirit tells you afterwards. Just a thought... Thank you Hall7, blessings. We could also go through these and see if there is proof of total omniscience..http://www.openbible.info/topics/omniscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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