Split: Your Views... Women Wearing Pants

[GoldenEagle]

Your use of that one scripture is interesting GE as I would use it in reverse.  Obedience would mean women wouldn't dress like a man.  Dresses are not more expensive than jeans.  I know of many stores where you can find a dress that is cheaper than jeans.  As I also have stated in times past, had any woman been too poor to afford a dress for church, I would have bought her one.

I'm not surprised.

 

What if she didn't WANT to wear a dress? What if a woman would say "I don't like dresses." Would you still welcome her in Christ in the bonds of fellowship?

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

 

Look, no matter what we argue and debate, the point is - "what pertaineth to a man" is not cut in stone, except in the eyes of personal bias.

 

Butero believes pants "pertaineth to a man", end of story.

 

The rest of us disagreeing with him do not believe pants "pertaineth to a man" any more than t-shirts or sweaters and thus putting a yoke on women that Jesus never meant us to bear.

 

No amount of argument or "evidence" is going to convince either side that they are in the wrong.

 

Truly, there is no life in us going around in circles like this.

 

So women, just remember that judgment is in the hands of God, not any particular man. It's not worth losing your peace over someone's opinion on another computer far away. I know oppression hurts, but you gotta let it go.

 

 

Gotcha, now I know his beef, agreed nebula. Its one of those beat the dead horse topics.

 

I'll never wear a dress. No man will see my legs except my husband and because dresses do show a little.

 

Now burka, to shut mouths, I'm all for it lol

 

Goes right over your jeans, you can disappear out of view for the service and simply rip it off as you step out into the parking lot. And throw it on again the following week.

 

$40 For church gear, wear the same thing, no worries.

 

I do have a question for you.  Based on that response, you must believe it is wrong for anyone to wear shorts, or capris?  Is that your position or am I taking you wrong, or are you just saying you couldn't wear those things?  Do you ever go to the beach?  Do you feel it is ok to wear a swimsuit?

 

 

 

I don't wear shorts, I do wear capri sweatpants at home. But no I don't wear shorts, or even go swimming or even own a bathing suit.

 

I have been at the beach many years ago, I went fully clothed, with one exception shorts to my knees.

 

I was never much into going swimming or going into the ocean, Ive always been like that.

 

I'm talking about my comfortability not others. Afterall I am the one who was judged for wearing jeans to the household of God. But the problem was never that I wore pants, the problem was they just weren't as nice as their stuff.

 

The pastors watch cost more then the car I parked in the church parking lot.

 

I just don't mind wearing things of lesser value then others, and neither do I covet what they have.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

I wear jeans, I wont wear skirts or dresses, because I think, "what if there was a strong wind?"

 

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It says nothing about wearing clean jeans. James even defends the poor man coming into the assembly in vile raiment. Shamefully many of our congregations cant even handle jeans, let alone whats considered vile (and clean jeans aren't "that")

Yes, I agree sister. It seems that sometimes people forget that God is more concerned about obedience (loving God, loving people) than sacrifice (don't wear jeans, don't do this, don't do that).

Where we live the ladies can barely afford clothing (most wear jeans) much less buy dresses or skirts. Many would feel uncomfortable anyway. I praise God Jesus loves people where they're at. Many have come to know Him as their personal Savior.

Reminds me of the song "Come just as you are". It's interesting what the Bible says about the sin of partiality.

 

Jams 2:1-13

The Sin of Partiality

2 My brothers,show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. ² For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, ³ and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” ⁴ have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? ⁵ Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? ⁶ But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? ⁷ Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?

 

⁸ If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. ⁹ But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. ¹⁰ For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. ¹¹ For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. ¹² So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. ¹³ For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

This is a good reminder to me.

James 6:37

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

God bless,

GE

 

 

 

Good post GE, God bless you too!

[other one]

oh, my....

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

 

Shamefully many of our congregations cant even handle jeans, let alone whats considered vile (and clean jeans aren't "that")

 I have to say that I have for the most part of my life, been blessed to attend a church that has no issue with jeans, shorts, football shirts, or whatever. Sometimes I wear a skirt or a dress sometimes I do not. No one has ever given issue about it to me. So when I hear stories about how some churches have dress cods and look down on jean wearers, I am like "what, this really goes on in church!"

 

I am just the opposite.  When I know a church allows people to dress like you described, I won't go there.  If we are talking about visitors, that is one thing, but not members in good standing.  When I hear of churches like you described, I am like, "what has become of the church?"  It makes me sick to my stomach people have so little respect for the house of the Lord. 

 

Out of curiosity Butero... When you say that women should wear a dress or a skirt do you mean down to her ankles?

 

Do you have certain qualifications or criteria that dress must meet to be both feminine and modest?

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

Your use of that one scripture is interesting GE as I would use it in reverse.  Obedience would mean women wouldn't dress like a man.  Dresses are not more expensive than jeans.  I know of many stores where you can find a dress that is cheaper than jeans.  As I also have stated in times past, had any woman been too poor to afford a dress for church, I would have bought her one.

I'm not surprised.

 

What if she didn't WANT to wear a dress? What if a woman would say "I don't like dresses." Would you still welcome her in Christ in the bonds of fellowship?

 

I wouldn't let her join the church, because she was in open sin.  I would treat her like anyone else in willful disobedience.  She could attend, but couldn't join the church.

 

I see. So this is a salvation issue for you. So in order for a woman to be accepted in the local Body of Christ and have membership of a local church she must not wear pants. Is that correct?

Aren't you a preacher or pastor Butero?

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

 

Yep sis there are others that do not, as yours does not. I (personally) ran into that problem when I first come to Christ. it was quite eventful and humiliating, but in short I was fresh out of the military and unemployed residing at my parents home at the time. All I had was the box of clothes I had shipped back from Germany to the U.S. When I entered the military I had just turned 18 then so I had nothing to my name. 

 

But I had just come to Jesus Christ, through a witness outside of the realm of the church. We did have a bible at home, so I fetched it and began reading the scriptures by myself. The more I read the more drawn in I was, and become infatuated with the book of Acts. I decided it was time to go to church to find these kind of folks. So I went to visit the church nearest my home. Everyone was dressed to the hilt but me, and I honestly thought nothing of it at first because I felt completely content, but it became more apparent they were disproving of my attire. After a few visits, I become increasingly uncomfortable, and then finally a service (with eyes directed my way) about honoring God with your Sunday best.

 

But what I had on was MY best. The problem was my best wasn't their best. I was humiliated and soon after left the church (my heart crushed) and for a long time after that I continued to seek the Lord on my own (which to be quite truthful) was the most blessed experience in my life (and for which time) I am forever grateful.

 

And I was more tender then, so what affected me then (whereas I would fall to tears at a drop of a dime) I sure wouldn't do today.

 

Thus the burka idea if any do that again to me, hate my jeans? Oh you will love this! (lol)

 

 Its the household of God not theirs and God has accepted me and people like me who are content with what they have (who covet no mans finer apparel) and those who would rather pay more attention to the inward man (where God looks) then the outward man (where man looks).

 

This one is near to my heart. A big deal to me back then, I was a babe in Christ and rather hurt by the experience back then. I had felt their rejection of me equated to the Lords rejection of me. So I thought, how can I even afford to worship the Lord? If this is all I have?

 

In time, I did "get it" that they were wrong, and God made it quite clear to me that was not His doing (but theirs) and showed himself wonderful to me outside of it all.

 

I think, what had (at first) caught me off guard was that most of my dilemma's I encountered came from within the sphere of various churches. Whereas way back as the church was being established we had the apostles who would key into those kinds occurrences who would step up to the plate and raised their voices on these kinds of particular doings. And its those kind of voices which seem to be heard less and less (or so it seems).

 

Rend your heart not your garments

 

God bless you!

 

Wow thank you for sharing. Yes! This is exactly the danger. Hurting those who are newer in the faith or simply the lost who don't have the money/desire to buy a dress/skirt. So sorry this happened to you.

God looks on the heart and not the clothes... Good point.

This in red is spiritual abuse - taking the role of the Holy Spirit in someone's life by basing spiritual maturity on personal convictions or personal preference.

I'm so sad this still happens today. This happened in a church we were a part of. We took a bunch of lost people from our apartment complex (we live in a very bad part of town) to church. The church members were more concerned about the kids being quiet, the way the people dressed, and their own little cliques rather than reaching out in love to those who needed Jesus Christ. It was very hurtful and disappointing. Thankfully, there are other churches in the area and several other churches didn't have the same attitude towards those who we were trying to minister to. Eight baptisms and 4 re-dedications later they are still plugged into these other churches who loved them where they were at. Praise God He is not limited by our own personal convictions or personal choices.

God bless,

GE

 

 

 

Praise the Lord GE!! That's awesome to hear, and you know, I honestly believe Jesus Christ would be shown the door in a lot of congregations. Same with John the Baptist, that's just my opinion, but I know exactly what you mean, seen it myself. Even of those who are outwardly beautiful (in this sense too) despising those who don't have as much as them (believing them to be less respectable) over the same like things. 

 

To be quite honest I would have never have been drawn to God by the likes of certain of them. I was outside of that realm when I come to Christ, I entered in and found they didn't have what I was looking for just the same as I was found of them to be lacking (in what they were specifically looking for).

 

I lacked outward appeal and to me they lacked the inward. Birds of a feather.

 

God bless you GE, our God is so good!

[GoldenEagle]

"Legalism does not consist in yielding obedience to the law. Rather, it is to seek justification and good standing with God through the merit of works done in obedience to the law – instead of by faith in Christ." - Jerry Bridges

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

 

 

 

Look, no matter what we argue and debate, the point is - "what pertaineth to a man" is not cut in stone, except in the eyes of personal bias.

 

Butero believes pants "pertaineth to a man", end of story.

 

The rest of us disagreeing with him do not believe pants "pertaineth to a man" any more than t-shirts or sweaters and thus putting a yoke on women that Jesus never meant us to bear.

 

No amount of argument or "evidence" is going to convince either side that they are in the wrong.

 

Truly, there is no life in us going around in circles like this.

 

So women, just remember that judgment is in the hands of God, not any particular man. It's not worth losing your peace over someone's opinion on another computer far away. I know oppression hurts, but you gotta let it go.

 

 

Gotcha, now I know his beef, agreed nebula. Its one of those beat the dead horse topics.

 

I'll never wear a dress. No man will see my legs except my husband and because dresses do show a little.

 

Now burka, to shut mouths, I'm all for it lol

 

Goes right over your jeans, you can disappear out of view for the service and simply rip it off as you step out into the parking lot. And throw it on again the following week.

 

$40 For church gear, wear the same thing, no worries.

 

I do have a question for you.  Based on that response, you must believe it is wrong for anyone to wear shorts, or capris?  Is that your position or am I taking you wrong, or are you just saying you couldn't wear those things?  Do you ever go to the beach?  Do you feel it is ok to wear a swimsuit?

 

 

 

I don't wear shorts, I do wear capri sweatpants at home. But no I don't wear shorts, or even go swimming or even own a bathing suit.

 

I have been at the beach many years ago, I went fully clothed, with one exception shorts to my knees.

 

I was never much into going swimming or going into the ocean, Ive always been like that.

 

I'm talking about my comfortability not others. Afterall I am the one who was judged for wearing jeans to the household of God. But the problem was never that I wore pants, the problem was they just weren't as nice as their stuff.

 

The pastors watch cost more then the car I parked in the church parking lot.

 

I just don't mind wearing things of lesser value then others, and neither do I covet what they have.

 

If you can't wear a dress because even a modest dress shows some leg, how can you wear shorts to the knees?  That doesn't make any sense to me?

 

 

 

Because I did once, years ago, taking my daughter to her first trip to the beach. I caved and wore them, and this after I had come to Christ, being honest.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

oh, my....

 

 

So few words, and so perfectly said lol