Split: Your Views... Women Wearing Pants

[Sevenseas]

 

Wonder what the talking donkey would say????

[Guest Butero]

 

I consider it a sin to wear clothing that pertains to the opposite sex, which means, I am prohibited from wearing a dress.  A dress is not unclean, for a woman and pants are not unclean for a man.  That's pretty simple.  BTW, you might want to write Concerned Women For America and get on to them for attacking a boy in a skirt, and trying to raise money doing so? 

 

 

A lot of people try to use the mixed fabric argument, but it is not valid.  There are some laws that were in place for Israel as a sign of separation, and that was the case with the one about mixed fabrics In a garment.  The law in Deuteronomy 22:5 is a moral law, and it still remains.  I would be more likely to consider that we should stop wearing garments of mixed fabrics, than to consider that it is right for women to wear pants. 

 

 

So if you consider it a sin to wear a dress don't wear a dress.

What do you think of robes or bathrobes? Would you wear a bathrobe in a spa as a guy?

The issue is your view of Deut 22:5 is different for one gender (women - pants) while it is different for the other gender (men - kilts).

But I digress.

 

A robe is not a dress.  Go into any department store and ask to see a robe, and I guarantee you they won't get it mixed up with dresses. 

 

My view is the same for both sexes, and it is your view and the view of most women that is unequal.  I believe a woman in pants is the same as a man in a dress.  I also stated that I believe a woman is ok wearing coulots, because even though they are similar to shorts, they are not the same, as a kilt is not the same as a skirt.  I don't know if you aren't reading what I said, or if you just have no valid response, so you just ignore it?  It is your side that is unequal.

 

According to those on your side:

 

1  Women are free to wear anything:  Pants, skirts, dresses, shorts, coulottes, anything.

 

2  Men can wear pants and shorts, but heaven forbid they wear a dress or even a skirt if you are Concerned Women For America, the largest women's group in the nation. 

 

3  Women are free to do anything they want.  They can be housewives, stay at home Moms, career women.

 

4  Men must be responsible and work a job and support their family. 

 

5  Women are free to have any hair style they want.

 

6  Men are to keep their hair short, or they will be discriminated against for employment. 

 

I am objecting to the double standard.  You are promoting the double standard. 

[Guest Butero]

 

Wonder what the talking donkey would say????

Whatever the toy maker programed him to say.  If he was programmed to speak, he will say what he was created to say.  If he wasn't programmed to speak, he won't say anything. 

[GoldenEagle]

I didn't agree with the quote by Jerry Bridges the first time you posted it, and still don't.  Freely you have been given truth and freely you should share truth.  I also reject your interpretation of Deuteronomy 22:5, and the reason for it.  There is no basis for such an interpretation, except some so-called historian likely made it up, like they make other things up to explain away the plain meaning of passages they don't like.  If you do believe what Jerry Bridges said, why did you attempt to push your personal convictions against horror movies on everyone with 10 points we were supposed to use to validate your belief? 

 

This isn’t the first time we’ve discussed this personal conviction of yours regarding women wearing pants Butero. Did you even read the link I provided?

Um… Sorry I don’t see how I used anything to impose my view on everyone else. I gave my opinion on Horror movies and how I view them. I said in that I didn’t like horror movies and I didn’t see anything in them that honor Christ. This was my personal preference and I never said I thought watching horror movies was a sin. I would say it is probably unwise for me to do - it really messes with me. But to each his own.

 

I then quoted an article originally posted by Nebula . The 10 suggestions seemed like they made sense to me and was a good set of suggestions at that given the current discussion on horror movies. If you were convicted then that is between you and God brother. You are free to disagree with me and with the author Larry Tomczak.

So I don’t see what you’re saying.

[GoldenEagle]

My point to Nebula was in regard to how one determines if they are in idolatry?  If it is by attempting to stop doing something, and if it is hard, then it is an idol, my point is valid.  Every woman that has trouble wearing a dress for an extended period of time has made pants an idol.  That was her test, not mine.  It could apply to nearly anything, not just entertainment.  It could apply to sports fans.  If they can't stop watching football for an extended period of time, according to that test, football is an idol to them. 

 

You are making a sweeping judgment (a generalization) by saying that every woman who has trouble wearing a dress for an extended period of time has made pants an idol. Some women simply don’t like wearing dresses or skirts. Some wear pants for work. Some think pants are more practical. Are you saying that women who don’t wear dresses aren’t feminine? Or am I reading into your words and misunderstanding what you are saying?

[GoldenEagle]

Now GE, I want to ask you some questions.  Is Concerned Women For America trying to impose their own standard of morality on everyone else by attacking a little boy wearing a skirt?  If a church won't accept a man wearing a dress as a song leader, is that an attempt to impose their personal convictions on others?  If a woman doesn't feel comfortable going out with a man that is wearing a dress, isn't it hypocritical if she expects him to feel good that she is wearing jeans?  Our pagan society is tolerant of a lot of evil things, so we can't go by what they find acceptable.  Can a woman be guilty of wearing clothes that pertain to a man in any circumstance, as women clearly think a man can wear clothes that pertain to a woman?  It is my contention that women feel like they can choose to look however they wish, dress however they want, and be anything they desire, while men must look like a man in their appearance, dress in a way that is masculine, and basically be men.  There is a clear double standard, and I haven't heard one man or woman give a valid reason why this is so?  Not from you and not from anyone else. 

 

Perhaps in the same way you see a double standard for men/women I pointed to your double standard with women (pants) and men (kilts). But in any case...

I don’t believe it is hypocritical for a woman to wear pants. I would not force any woman I knew to wear skirts (including daughters if God ever blesses me with a daughter).

Let me ask you this. Do you think its sin for a man to shave his beard or have long hair?

 

Honestly, I don’t really understand where you’re coming from. Concerned Women for America has the right speak up for what they believe in. You have the right not to wear pants. But when you tell women in general that wearing pants is a sin you are imposing a standard which isn’t found in Scripture. Your in essence elevating your personal preference and determining that to be Biblical truth where in fact this issue of pants is not black/white in my estimation but rather grey.

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

I consider it a sin to wear clothing that pertains to the opposite sex, which means, I am prohibited from wearing a dress.  A dress is not unclean, for a woman and pants are not unclean for a man.  That's pretty simple.  BTW, you might want to write Concerned Women For America and get on to them for attacking a boy in a skirt, and trying to raise money doing so? 

 

 

A lot of people try to use the mixed fabric argument, but it is not valid.  There are some laws that were in place for Israel as a sign of separation, and that was the case with the one about mixed fabrics In a garment.  The law in Deuteronomy 22:5 is a moral law, and it still remains.  I would be more likely to consider that we should stop wearing garments of mixed fabrics, than to consider that it is right for women to wear pants. 

 

 

So if you consider it a sin to wear a dress don't wear a dress.

What do you think of robes or bathrobes? Would you wear a bathrobe in a spa as a guy?

The issue is your view of Deut 22:5 is different for one gender (women - pants) while it is different for the other gender (men - kilts).

But I digress.

 

A robe is not a dress.  Go into any department store and ask to see a robe, and I guarantee you they won't get it mixed up with dresses. 

 

My view is the same for both sexes, and it is your view and the view of most women that is unequal.  I believe a woman in pants is the same as a man in a dress.  I also stated that I believe a woman is ok wearing coulots, because even though they are similar to shorts, they are not the same, as a kilt is not the same as a skirt.  I don't know if you aren't reading what I said, or if you just have no valid response, so you just ignore it?  It is your side that is unequal.

 

According to those on your side:

 

1  Women are free to wear anything:  Pants, skirts, dresses, shorts, coulottes, anything.

 

2  Men can wear pants and shorts, but heaven forbid they wear a dress or even a skirt if you are Concerned Women For America, the largest women's group in the nation. 

 

3  Women are free to do anything they want.  They can be housewives, stay at home Moms, career women.

 

4  Men must be responsible and work a job and support their family. 

 

5  Women are free to have any hair style they want.

 

6  Men are to keep their hair short, or they will be discriminated against for employment. 

 

I am objecting to the double standard.  You are promoting the double standard. 

 

 

Regarding kilts not being a skirt I believe you are incorrect. A kilt is a skirt worn by a man. Proudly in fact by those of certain cultures.

 

So really it's all about what you feel comfortable with or your own personal preference?

As to the assumptions you've made about me and to those on "my side." Side note: I wasn't aware that I'd chosen a side but okay.

1. I see no problem with the items you described as clothes for women. I don't think the term "anything" is really appropriate though for the conversation as it is a bit vague and super-imposes a position that I haven't taken. I can't speak for everyone else lol. Please clarify what you mean by "anything"?

 

2. Butero if you want to wear a dress please feel free to do so. No judgement here.

 

3. Women are indeed free to be stay at home moms if they so desire or if they want to work outside the home that is fine too. Are you saying women shouldn't work outside the home? If so I find that to be a bit of a chovanistic idea. If you do have this view what do you base it on?

 

4. Do you believe that men should be irresponsible, not work, and not support their home? How does this conform with 1 Tim 5:8? (Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.) Honestly, not sure about where you live but many families have found that the husband enjoys (or due to ilness and/or disablity) staying at home with the kids and the wife works outside the home. I see nothing wrong with this.

 

5. I see no problem with women having hairstyles according to their own tastes. I personally like longer hair (probably because I grew up in S. America where this was the norm) but this is just a personal preference. Do you think women with a particular style of hair is sinful?

 

6. Discrimination based on hair length I would imagine is at the minimum unethical and possibly illegal in many places. I have no issue with the length of a man's hair. Do you?

Now, how am I promoting a double standard please?

God bless,

GE

[Qnts2]

Butero,

 

You have my curiosity.

 

Do you believe women should not cut their hair?

 

Are you familiar with the UPC?

[ncn]

Just don't go into a shop in the UK and ask for pants, you will be served with something else. 

[LadyKay]

I think my issue with this is that it is a "man" telling me a "women" what they can and can not do. If your a women,and you think that you should only wear dresses, then fine, I am okay with that. But for a "man" to tell me that I am sinning because I am wearing pants. Well I take issue with that. Now I am dieing to see what you think about hair cuts.

Edited August 29, 2013 by LadyKay