The deteriorating perception of nudity

[JDavis]

If that is true, why is it mentioned in Revelation people will be given robes to wear?

Revaluation is a book filled with figurative speech. it tells us a sword will come out of Jesus' mouth...do you think it will be a real sword?

Revelation 7:9

New International Version (NIV)

The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

The Lamb is not literal. We understand that the Lamb is Jesus Christ who was sacrificed for our sins, the palm branches represent worship, the white robes represent being clothed in righteousness. I think the number of people who believe that Jesus Christ reincarnates as a literal sheep are very few indeed! Why would we think the white robes are literal?

Do the two of you believe that Jesus is sitting on the Throne in the buff?

I believe Jesus sitting on the Throne is a figure of speech not a literal thing....seems He would have gotten tied of sitting after 2000 years.

You didn't answer my question...do you think an actual sword will come out of Jesus' mouth?

[enoob57]

 

 

 

Oh how some stretch at the tie that binds.... or are not tied at all-

Gen 3:10

10 So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

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Gen 3:21

21 Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.

NKJV

To cast off the clothes is to cast off the provision of God for acceptance... if you can be naked before God

and others and not be ashamed then I suggest perhaps it is not the same God that was before Adam and Eve

or the same heart which was not thoroughly soaked in sin- What God has done let no man undue! Love, Steven

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

It wasn't an issue because they didn't know about naked... tell me you can do that now!

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

We will all stand naked before God...and none of us will care.

The issue with rebellion is not staying in the place where God keeps us... you clearly think you have authority to

go back before original sin and form spiritual realties... I believe that we are to remain where God has us and operate

in those realities according to His Word till he takes me to different place and realties!

Rom 12:2

2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your

mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

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another way to see this is

1 John 1:7

7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another,

and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

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The light is His Word and to this we are to conform- not our willy nilly thoughts outside

of this reality-> in which we are held in by God...

This is the war:

Rom 7:21-25

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I

delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my

members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law

of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from

this body of death? 25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord!

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So right now I am tied to this body of death and my job is to bring it into conformity to

God's Word to bring Him Glory... keeping it covered with reverence to the way He showed

me long ago in submission to Him till God removes me from this flesh....

Love, Steven

Wow, some people just can't accept not everyone thinks like they do, why the attacks?

The problem with nudity is man's problem not God's.

The problem with nudity is a result of our sin and no one can reverse the effect that is

upon our flesh the one of shame...

Seems wrong to blame God for our failings...but to each their own

 

The problem I had when I first came here was reading into things written by others as personal assaults...

When I address and comment it is to reveal what God is urging me within to write (ACCORDING) to His 

Word that I have studied and with much effort rightly divided...

 

Now I take nothing personal but look to edify and be edified in order to get closer to God and further from

the old self and all of it's tackiness.  If you write

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

We will all stand naked before God...and none of us will care.

We will be in the reality God places us in and as Nebula pointed out in God's Word 

Rev 7:9-12

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number,

of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb,

clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice,

saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 11 All the angels

stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before

the throne and worshiped God,

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Rev 1:13-14

13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with

a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

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2 Cor 5:2-4

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from

heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.

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Zech 3:3-5

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel.

4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, "Take away the

filthy garments from him." And to him He said, "See, I have removed your iniquity from you,

and I will clothe you with rich robes." 5 And I said, "Let them put a clean turban on his head."

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So as you can see you are in error according to God's word... and no they can be no other opinion

but what God Says... as God's Word 'IS' the final authority

Jer 23:28-29

28 "The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;

And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.

What is the chaff to the wheat?" says the Lord.

29 "Is not My word like a fire?" says the Lord,

"And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?

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Love, Steven

 

[JDavis]

It is very easy to claim what your saying comes.directly from God...lots of people make that claim.

It is also an easy way to avoid responsibility for your own words.

I hate to break this to you, but you do not speak for God and I am offended by your claim to do so. you are just a human like the rest of us

[TsukinoRei]

 

 

 

If that is true, why is it mentioned in Revelation people will be given robes to wear?

Revaluation is a book filled with figurative speech. it tells us a sword will come out of Jesus' mouth...do you think it will be a real sword?

 

Revelation 7:9

New International Version (NIV)

The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

The Lamb is not literal. We understand that the Lamb is Jesus Christ who was sacrificed for our sins, the palm branches represent worship, the white robes represent being clothed in righteousness. I think the number of people who believe that Jesus Christ reincarnates as a literal sheep are very few indeed! Why would we think the white robes are literal?

Do the two of you believe that Jesus is sitting on the Throne in the buff?

I believe Jesus sitting on the Throne is a figure of speech not a literal thing....seems He would have gotten tied of sitting after 2000 years.

You didn't answer my question...do you think an actual sword will come out of Jesus' mouth?

 

 

I too believe that the Throne is symbolic of rulership.  He is not sitting on a literal big fancy chair, just as there is not a literal Lamb, the palm branches are not literal, and the white robes are symbolic of righteousness.  This passage has no bearing on the question of nudity.

[enoob57]

It is very easy to claim what your saying comes.directly from God...lots of people make that claim.

It is also an easy way to avoid responsibility for your own words.

I hate to break this to you, but you do not speak for God and I am offended by your claim to do so. you are just a human like the rest of us

Show me where God's Word is spoken of here? Or a correction to what is thought God's Word says....

I am not interested in what you think of me or what you think of others but only of God's Word being

lifted up as the Truth that It holds alone and not as something man has generated in his own undisciplined

thoughts... You have made a statement we are going to be naked before God! I have shown you God's

Word does not support your view... let's get back to that- in fact of thus Sayeth the Lord

 

Let's get back to the Word and not other trivial things of no importance... Love, Steven 

[Guest man]

Well then it seems we agree with each other.

 

 

 

Yes, it "seems" as if we do, but we don't. 

[JDavis]

It is very easy to claim what your saying comes.directly from God...lots of people make that claim.

It is also an easy way to avoid responsibility for your own words.

I hate to break this to you, but you do not speak for God and I am offended by your claim to do so. you are just a human like the rest of us

Show me where God's Word is spoken of here? Or a correction to what is thought God's Word says....

I am not interested in what you think of me or what you think of others but only of God's Word being

lifted up as the Truth that It holds alone and not as something man has generated in his own undisciplined

thoughts... You have made a statement we are going to be naked before God! I have shown you God's

Word does not support your view... let's get back to that- in fact of thus Sayeth the Lord

Let's get back to the Word and not other trivial things of no importance... Love, Steven

The passages you provide speak in figurative terms, not literal.

Your understanding of these passages is flawed.

just as Jesus is not literally a lamb, the mention of robes and the like is not literal.

[JDavis]

Well then it seems we agree with each other.

Yes, it "seems" as if we do, but we don't.

Why do so many people on this forum speak in riddles?

Do you suppose it makes you seem

[enoob57]

1 Cor 2:14-16
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him;

nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things,

yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct

Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
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[OneLight]

They have the same desires, just different triggers.

We view nudity tied to lust because that is the way we were raised in our society.

Studies of these tribes after we "civilized" them show an increase in rape and harassment tied to lust.

The addition of clothing to these people change them, and not always for the better

We don't know that, but assume this to be true. Tribal law is a whole lot different than our law. It showed no mercy to the offender, causing one to be far less willing to take the chance.

I have different triggers than you do, and you have different triggers than the next person in line. It makes absolutely not difference what the triggers are just that they are there.

It was not the clothing that changed them, it was the whole influence of the civilized world. What do you think they thought of when they saw the first airplane?