The deteriorating perception of nudity

[enoob57]

 

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

We will all stand naked before God...and none of us will care.

 

 

If that is true, why is it mentioned in Revelation people will be given robes to wear?

 

  Neb!

[OneLight]

If there were no sin, there would be no concern. There is sin, and there is concern. The body is a creation from God. How someone views the body is where sin begins. If there was no lust in humans, being naked would not matter. The hearts and minds of people, being with sin, is the reason we were clothed in the first place. This has not changed.

[TsukinoRei]

 

 

Oh how some stretch at the tie that binds.... or are not tied at all-

Gen 3:10

10 So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

NKJV

Gen 3:21

21 Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.

NKJV

To cast off the clothes is to cast off the provision of God for acceptance... if you can be naked before God

and others and not be ashamed then I suggest perhaps it is not the same God that was before Adam and Eve

or the same heart which was not thoroughly soaked in sin- What God has done let no man undue! Love, Steven

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

It wasn't an issue because they didn't know about naked... tell me you can do that now!

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

We will all stand naked before God...and none of us will care.

 

The issue with rebellion is not staying in the place where God keeps us... you clearly think you have authority to

go back before original sin and form spiritual realties... I believe that we are to remain where God has us and operate

in those realities according to His Word till he takes me to different place and realties!

Rom 12:2

2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your

mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

NKJV

another way to see this is

1 John 1:7

7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another,

and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

NKJV

The light is His Word and to this we are to conform- not our willy nilly thoughts outside

of this reality-> in which we are held in by God...

 

This is the war:

Rom 7:21-25

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I

delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my

members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law

of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from

this body of death? 25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord!

NKJV

So right now I am tied to this body of death and my job is to bring it into conformity to

God's Word to bring Him Glory... keeping it covered with reverence to the way He showed

me long ago in submission to Him till God removes me from this flesh....

Love, Steven

 

 

oooh, there is an interesting presupposition in this;

 

- it is not possible to sin in ignorance.

 

Does this mean that you believe that the only reason sin did not exist before the fall was because we were not aware of it? (hence the tree of the knowledge of good and evil).  In which case do you believe that even before the fall, nudity was unacceptable to God but it was not a sin for us because we did not know it was unacceptable to God?  If that is the case then why didn't He make us with clothing in the first place?  In this belief are you not also going back before original sin and forming spiritual realities as you have stated that JDavis is doing?  Please do realize that I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that, I think it's very sensible to consider the pre-fall state of man and reflect on what this tells us about post-cross state of man and what it means to be in right relationship with God and one another.  What could be wrong with thinking deeply about the love of God, His desire to be right with us and our desire to be right with Him?

 

ps - I feel you deserve bonus points for using the term 'willy nilly'.   

[JDavis]

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

We will all stand naked before God...and none of us will care.

If that is true, why is it mentioned in Revelation people will be given robes to wear?

Revaluation is a book filled with figurative speech. it tells us a sword will come out of Jesus' mouth...do you think it will be a real sword?

[TsukinoRei]

 

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

We will all stand naked before God...and none of us will care.

 

 

If that is true, why is it mentioned in Revelation people will be given robes to wear?

 

 

 

Revelation 7:9

New International Version (NIV)

The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

 

 

 

The Lamb is not literal.  We understand that the Lamb is Jesus Christ who was sacrificed for our sins, the palm branches represent worship, the white robes represent being clothed in righteousness.  I think the number of people who believe that Jesus Christ reincarnates as a literal sheep are very few indeed!  Why would we think the white robes are literal?

[JDavis]

If there were no sin, there would be no concern. There is sin, and there is concern. The body is a creation from God. How someone views the body is where sin begins. If there was no lust in humans, being naked would not matter. The hearts and minds of people, being with sin, is the reason we were clothed in the first place. This has not changed.

Yet their are tribes where nudity and lust are not connected.

The problem is not the nudity, it is us.

[JDavis]

Oh how some stretch at the tie that binds.... or are not tied at all-

Gen 3:10

10 So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

NKJV

Gen 3:21

21 Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.

NKJV

To cast off the clothes is to cast off the provision of God for acceptance... if you can be naked before God

and others and not be ashamed then I suggest perhaps it is not the same God that was before Adam and Eve

or the same heart which was not thoroughly soaked in sin- What God has done let no man undue! Love, Steven

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

It wasn't an issue because they didn't know about naked... tell me you can do that now!

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

We will all stand naked before God...and none of us will care.

The issue with rebellion is not staying in the place where God keeps us... you clearly think you have authority to

go back before original sin and form spiritual realties... I believe that we are to remain where God has us and operate

in those realities according to His Word till he takes me to different place and realties!

Rom 12:2

2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your

mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

NKJV

another way to see this is

1 John 1:7

7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another,

and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

NKJV

The light is His Word and to this we are to conform- not our willy nilly thoughts outside

of this reality-> in which we are held in by God...

This is the war:

Rom 7:21-25

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I

delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my

members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law

of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from

this body of death? 25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord!

NKJV

So right now I am tied to this body of death and my job is to bring it into conformity to

God's Word to bring Him Glory... keeping it covered with reverence to the way He showed

me long ago in submission to Him till God removes me from this flesh....

Love, Steven

Wow, some people just can't accept not everyone thinks like they do, why the attacks?

The problem with nudity is man's problem not God's.

Seems wrong to blame God for our failings...but to each their own

[OneLight]

If there were no sin, there would be no concern. There is sin, and there is concern. The body is a creation from God. How someone views the body is where sin begins. If there was no lust in humans, being naked would not matter. The hearts and minds of people, being with sin, is the reason we were clothed in the first place. This has not changed.

Yet their are tribes where nudity and lust are not connected.

The problem is not the nudity, it is us.

Then you agree. The problem is the sin in us that is the root of lust. As for the tribes, how do you know they are not looking at others with lust? Do you think because it is a custom to go half naked that they are immune to sexual desires? They are human, just as we are, with the same desires of the flesh

[JDavis]

If there were no sin, there would be no concern. There is sin, and there is concern. The body is a creation from God. How someone views the body is where sin begins. If there was no lust in humans, being naked would not matter. The hearts and minds of people, being with sin, is the reason we were clothed in the first place. This has not changed.

Yet their are tribes where nudity and lust are not connected.

The problem is not the nudity, it is us.

Then you agree. The problem is the sin in us that is the root of lust. As for the tribes, how do you know they are not looking at others with lust? Do you think because it is a custom to go half naked that they are immune to sexual desires? They are human, just as we are, with the same desires of the flesh

They have the same desires, just different triggers.

We view nudity tied to lust because that is the way we were raised in our society.

Studies of these tribes after we "civilized" them show an increase in rape and harassment tied to lust.

The addition of clothing to these people change them, and not always for the better

[Guest man]

God made them naked, they stayed naked for their entire time in the garden, which was spent with God.

Clearly God did not have an issue with their nudity.

The issue with nudity is man's issue, not Gods.

 

 

If nudity is man's issue, why did the Lord clothe them?

 

The Lord created the tree of good and evil. It wasn't until Adam and Eve ate the fruit of that tree that they noticed they were naked and were ashamed. God said, "They have become like us, to know good and evil". 

 

If being naked was good, why were they ashamed? They weren't ashamed until "after" they ate the fruit. They weren't ashamed until after they were exposed to the knowledge of good and evil. The knowledge they obtained from that tree told them their nakedness was something to be ashamed of. That knowledge was put there by God. The knowledge of "Good and Evil". 

 

If nudity is man's issue, why did they feel convicted of their nakedness once their eyes were opened to what is good and what is evil? If nudity was good in the eyes of God, there would have been no shame issue where nudity was concerned. There was something in that knowledge of good and evil, knowledge that God put there, that told them their nakedness was shameful. 

 

The last thing God did for Adam and Eve before He cast them from the garden was put clothes on them. If God didn't have an issue with nudity, why would He do that?