Predestination Ouestions

[Openly Curious]

 

The simplest way I can explain it is that whoever you are is the person you were created to be, whether that person is good or evil.  If you were created to be saved, you will be saved, and if you were created to be lost, you will be lost.  Nothing happens by accident, and nobody is really saved by their own decision.  If you made the decision to accept Christ, it is only because he pre-destined that you would accept Christ.  It is because the Father decided to reveal Jesus to you.  If you rejected Christ, it is because the Father chose not to open your eyes to where you would have the faith or desire to get saved. 

 

I agree.

Matt 22:14  Many are called but few are chosen.

 

 

Hi WIP, I agree that "many" are called but few are chosen.  There has been since the fall in the garden up until the present moment where many are in the valley of decision when it comes to God and their salvation.  The Spirit of God is wooing the heart of man continually and is not willing that any should perish but have everlasting life.  But all in the valley of decision will not make the decision even though throughout the generations faithfully God has been and still is calling out unto the masses to come unto him ("many"- from and indifinite number of people) day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute and second after second and men still are continuing to refuse to say yes to Christ Lordship and be saved.  There is not a set number of people in "many" because it is an indifinite number can't be calculated.  One can't be accepted in the beloved (or chosen) if they do not make the decision for Christ during their lifetime.  Thus few are chosen or accepted into the family of God.  I'm not sure how you are interpreting the scripture in...Matt. 22:14.  thanks for your input

[Openly Curious]

 

Yes,I believe in predestination Romans 8:29-30.God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likness of His son,be called,justified,and glorified.He predetermines that certain individuals will be saved.Do you think that is unfair?No one deserves to be saved.We all have sinned.Therefore God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend and eternity in hell.If God is choosing who is saved,doesn't that undermine our free will to chose and believe in Christ?The Bible says that we all have a choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved.The Bible never says that God will reject anyone.

 

 

I read the above twice and I can't tell if you believe in predestination or not, Bopeep.  Can you clarify?  Personally, I don't.  He gave us free will for a reason. 

 

 

 

I have to agree with Morning Glory here bopeep I couldn't figure out if you believed in predestination or not either.

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[Openly Curious]

Can anyone help me with how the subject of predestination has been linked (biblically) to how a certain number of people are created evil and others are created to be evil.  Because I haven't seen this connection in the scriptures.  Predestination has absoulutely nothing to do with being created to be evil, being created to be good, losing or keeping one's salvation. 

[Guest man]

 

are you really saying that God created a number of people specifically to  burn in hell forever?

Yes.  Judas Iscariot for one. 

 

 

The beast and the false prophet come to mind.

[Openly Curious]

 

are you really saying that God created a number of people specifically to  burn in hell forever?

Yes.  Judas Iscariot for one. 

 

 

I have a question for you Butero.  Do you believe that God forenew Judas Iscariot?

[asper]

My opinions are certainly different from anyone else’s that I have ever heard including those posted here.

 

I believe that the plan of God did not fail. Those who were planned to exist from the foundation of the world will be saved. Those whose existence comes into effect because of the fall still can be saved but in reality they will not because they actually belong to someone else.

 

Certainly I could be wrong but it is something to consider.

 

Here are some Scriptures.

 

Her conception is greatly multiplied,

 

Ge 3:16  Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

 

Even though Cain was of that wicked one God still tried to show him the way to life.

 

Ge 4:6  And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7  If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

 

1Jo 3:12  Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

 

Also here is another example of God reaching out to those who will come up short,

 

Mt 23:37  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

 

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

 

 

 

Notice “from the foundation of the world”. And the reactions of those who were not: how they react in certain ways.

 

Eph 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

Re 13:8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

Re 17:8  The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

 

God bless,

Tony

 

[Openly Curious]

 

 

are you really saying that God created a number of people specifically to  burn in hell forever?

Yes.  Judas Iscariot for one. 

 

 

The beast and the false prophet come to mind.

 

 

 

 

 

The beast and the false prophet  are supernatural beings that will be manifested during the end-times.

[Butch5]

I know that there are a lot of schools of thought concerning predestination.  But are all predestined to salvation?

 

I have my own personal views and beliefs concerning predestination so this thread (for me at least) is to gain futher knowledge and enlightenment into the subject of predestination through the discussion that might come about. 

Predestination simply means to determine before hand. God has predetermined that those who follow Christ will be saved. However, I don't see any thing in the Scriptures that teach all are predestined to salvation. That's not to say that all can't be saved, they can be.

[missmuffet]

 

I know that there are a lot of schools of thought concerning predestination.  But are all predestined to salvation?

 

I have my own personal views and beliefs concerning predestination so this thread (for me at least) is to gain futher knowledge and enlightenment into the subject of predestination through the discussion that might come about. 

Predestination simply means to determine before hand. God has predetermined that those who follow Christ will be saved. However, I don't see any thing in the Scriptures that teach all are predestined to salvation. That's not to say that all can't be saved, they can be.

 

God knows before we are born if we will be in the Lamb's Book of Life.

[Butch5]

Can anyone help me with how the subject of predestination has been linked (biblically) to how a certain number of people are created evil and others are created to be evil.  Because I haven't seen this connection in the scriptures.  Predestination has absoulutely nothing to do with being created to be evil, being created to be good, losing or keeping one's salvation. 

What exactly is it that you are struggling with?