Not under the law

[dgolvach]

I Corinthians 6:12-20

12"All things are lawful for me," but not all things are beneficial. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be dominated by anything.

I believe we are no longer bound by the law and I would debate weather or not breaking the law makes you in a fallen state in terms of eternity. However, I wouldn't debate the fact that breaking the law can destroy your life, marraige, family, health, witness,sanity ect. ect. and on and on. It can and that is why its not beneficial.

Dan

[Khristeeanos]

I Corinthians 6:12-20

12"All things are lawful for me," but not all things are beneficial. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be dominated by anything.

I believe we are no longer bound by the law and I would debate weather or not breaking the law makes you in a fallen state in terms of eternity. However, I wouldn't debate the fact that breaking the law can destroy your life, marraige, family, health, witness,sanity ect. ect. and on and on. It can and that is why its not beneficial.

Dan

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I just quoted Bible references that state we are under Christ's Law. How do you figure that you aren't under Christ's Law?

Paul is quoting people in the Corinthian congregation who made these claims that were false.

[dgolvach]

All Biblical law is Christ's law because he is God. You and I don't keep it. Some more than others but not all of it. " All of it" is the standard.

[Khristeeanos]

You do understand that you are under Christ's Law, right?

[followerofjesus]

My understanding is we are not under the law because when it was established men couldn't live under it anyway.

[Guest shiloh357]

My understanding is we are not under the law because when it was established men couldn't live under it anyway.

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No, because if that were so, God would not have been just in judging Israel for breaking it.

There was nothing about the Torah that was not "doable." What man cannot do, is keep the Torah apart from the infection of sin. No matter how hard anyone would try to observe God's coommandments, that observance would always be tainted.

Relative to what was said in other posts:

Let me explain what "under" the law" means. "Under the Law" is a reference to one's spiritual position before God. If you are "under the law," you are not saved.

In Rom. 5 and 6, Paul refers to those who are "in Adam," "servants of sin," and "under the law." Paul is saying the same thing in different ways, but these describe a person without Christ. If a person dies without knowing Jesus, they will stand before God under the Law. If a person dies in Christ, they will stand before God under grace.

People seem to quote Rom. 6:14 without quoting the first half. "for sin shall have domminion over you." Sin only has dominion over unbelievers.

[gypc]

You do understand that you are under Christ's Law, right?

Romans 8:1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 9:21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law, so as to win those not having the law.

[OneAccord]

Romans 8:1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 7:22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man

7:23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

2 Cor 3:6-9 a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2 Cor 3:6-9 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10

7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Paul defintely makes a distinction between

the law of God and the law of sin and death.

the letter, which kills and the Spirit, which gives life

The ministry of death, engraved on stone and the ministry of the Spirit, engraved on our hearts

The ministry of condemnation and the minsitry of righteousness

I think that Colossians is right on with his posts, the problem we are having is that he failed to put forth a good definition of the Law of God as opposed to the law of sin and death which we are definitely not under.

The idea of not being under law is confusing, because we need some kind of law so we know how to act, what's right and wrong, etc. I don't think he's suggesting outright lawlessness and anarchy.

[borntorebel]

Yahsway says,

Grace is not an license to sin. Grace is Gods unmerited favor. Something we do not deserve.

Noone is saying grace is a license to sin. Why do you accuse people of saying things they aren't saying?

Yahsway says,

I know that I am saved by His grace thru faith. Abraham found grace by his faith.

Actually Yahsway, Abraham's faith was counted to him as righteousness, not grace. Grace came through the gift of God's son Jesus.

May God's grace, power and peace be with you,

Ron

[nebula]

I think that Colossians is right on with his posts, the problem we are having is that he failed to put forth a good definition of the Law of God as opposed to the law of sin and death which we are definitely not under.

The idea of not being under law is confusing, because we need some kind of law so we know how to act, what's right and wrong, etc.  I don't think he's suggesting outright lawlessness and anarchy.

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Well, this was the problem.

He was very unclear about where he was going with his statement, and when asked got all puffy and arrogant and snotty about it.

Does make one suspicious of the motives of his heart and the intention of his post.

(I miss the :suspect: emoticon!)