Jesus revealing himself through bigger miracles.

[Guest DRS81]

Do you guys consider this a miracle..
 

 

[Guest ninhao]

  only if the hamstring isn't torn.

[Guest ninhao]

Our God is a mysterious God indeed. Have you ever noticed when Jesus was performing miracles he always healed people. He never made his miracles so big that people gave him the name, 'magic man'. Have you ever wondered why Jesus did not physically show himself when the Red Sea or the ten commandment miracles took place. When Jesus performed miracles in the NT, you started to see people walking, hearing and seeing.  When we use the word 'big', is someone walking out of their wheelchair bigger than watching the Red sea depart or God stamping the ten commandments on a rock? Why did Jesus hide himself physically through prophets when the BIG miracles took place? Even when the ten commandments took place, Moses went away to the mountain side. Is it because he wasn't born into a physical birth yet? Then again, Jesus didn't have to be born a physical birth for him to perform miracles in the OT, but when he performed miracles in the NT he was quiet and subtle about it. Oh the gentle and mysterious Lamb, our Lord our Lord. - DRS81

 

Hello DRS,

 

For interest here's a few likely physical appearances of Jesus in the OT;

 

Gen 3:8  And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

 

* Gen 14:18-19  And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.  (19)  And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

 

Gen 18:1-2  And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;  (2)  And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

 

Gen 32:29-30  And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.  (30)  And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

 

Jdg 6:22-23  And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.  (23)  And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

 

 

Dan 3:23-25  And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.  (24)  Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.  (25)  He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

 

[Guest DRS81]

Hello DRS,

For interest here's a few likely physical appearances of Jesus in the OT;

Gen 18:1-2  And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;  (2)  And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

 

Gen 32:29-30  And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.  (30)  And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

 

Jdg 6:22-23  And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.  (23)  And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

 

 

Dan 3:23-25  And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.  (24)  Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.  (25)  He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

 

Blessings ninhao, thank you for these scriptures. I am specifically looking for the physical attributes of Jesus in the OT, arms/legs/face/feet/chest the whole works. How did the Lord appear to them in Genesis 18:1-2. In Gen 32:29-30 & Jdg 6:22-23, I thought that nobody has seen God face to face and lived? In Dan 3:23-25, what kind of form did Jesus come in. Blessings this morning.

[Guest ninhao]

Blessings ninhao, thank you for these scriptures. I am specifically looking for the physical attributes of Jesus in the OT, arms/legs/face/feet/chest the whole works. How did the Lord appear to them in Genesis 18:1-2. In Gen 32:29-30 & Jdg 6:22-23, I thought that nobody has seen God face to face and lived? In Dan 3:23-25, what kind of form did Jesus come in. Blessings this morning.

 

 

Good morning DRS.  You may notice in the scriptures above that God did appear in physical form ( in the likeness of man ) to Adam and Eve, Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and witnesses. He ( Jesus ) walked, talked , possibly ate etc. 

 

Nebuchadnezzar and witnesses saw Jesus in the likeness of a man in Daniel (  He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. ) where He protected the Saints in the furnace. Perhaps we can suggest no man has seen the Father face to face but this is Jesus. Also consider it may be the heavenly Spirit face of God, in full glory, that no man can look upon.

 

 

Exo 33:18-20  And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.  (19)  And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.  (20)  And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

 

[missmuffet]

Why does Jesus have to reveal Himself through miracles?Is it people wanting to see proof of His existence?Christians have what is called faith.

[other one]

 

Hello DRS,

For interest here's a few likely physical appearances of Jesus in the OT;

Gen 18:1-2  And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;  (2)  And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

 

Gen 32:29-30  And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.  (30)  And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

 

Jdg 6:22-23  And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.  (23)  And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

 

 

Dan 3:23-25  And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.  (24)  Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.  (25)  He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

 

Blessings ninhao, thank you for these scriptures. I am specifically looking for the physical attributes of Jesus in the OT, arms/legs/face/feet/chest the whole works. How did the Lord appear to them in Genesis 18:1-2. In Gen 32:29-30 & Jdg 6:22-23, I thought that nobody has seen God face to face and lived? In Dan 3:23-25, what kind of form did Jesus come in. Blessings this morning.

 

 

No one has seen the Father at all.......    obviously the God Moses knew in the old testament was not the Father...    It was Jesus when he was in the Form of God before he was incarnated into the physical body of Jesus..

 

Told Moses to call him "I AM"      Told the Jews when they were questioning that "Before Abraham was.....  I AM"

 

It's hard to find the words to express my thoughts, but my thoughts are that the Father has always interfaced with us through Jesus.    As Jehovah before he entered the body of Jesus.....   while he was here in the flesh....   and after his resurrection when he asked the Father to restore the glory he had before his physical presence.

[other one]

 

Blessings ninhao, thank you for these scriptures. I am specifically looking for the physical attributes of Jesus in the OT, arms/legs/face/feet/chest the whole works. How did the Lord appear to them in Genesis 18:1-2. In Gen 32:29-30 & Jdg 6:22-23, I thought that nobody has seen God face to face and lived? In Dan 3:23-25, what kind of form did Jesus come in. Blessings this morning.

 

 

Good morning DRS.  You may notice in the scriptures above that God did appear in physical form ( in the likeness of man ) to Adam and Eve, Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and witnesses. He ( Jesus ) walked, talked , possibly ate etc. 

 

Nebuchadnezzar and witnesses saw Jesus in the likeness of a man in Daniel (  He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. ) where He protected the Saints in the furnace. Perhaps we can suggest no man has seen the Father face to face but this is Jesus. Also consider it may be the heavenly Spirit face of God, in full glory, that no man can look upon.

 

 

Exo 33:18-20  And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.  (19)  And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.  (20)  And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

 

 

 

Well, while I don't know what they saw. they seem to have expected God to harm them for Moses made the comment that He did not stretch out his hand against them.

 

i know that might be a bit weak, but it seems to me that they expected to be harmed for what they saw.

Whatever the case, Jesus didn't talk about face or foot, simply said that no "Man" had ever seen the Father.

 

Ex 24:9-11

9 Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10 and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11 Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they beheld God, and they ate and drank.

NASB

 

[OakWood]

 

Have you ever noticed when Jesus was performing miracles he always healed people. He never made his miracles so big that people gave him the name, 'magic man'.

:blink:

:blink:

The multiplication of bread is not a "big" miracle?

The walking on water is not a "big" miracle?

The commanding of the storm to be silent is not a "big" miracle?

The transfiguration is not a "big" miracle?!!

HIS RISING FROM THE DEATH NOT A "BIG" MIRACLE?!!!

HIS ASCENSION TO HEAVEN NOT A "BIG" MIRACLE?!!!

I don't know about you, but all these seem pretty "big" miracles to me.

~

 

 

They are BIG miracles, yes, but they are not obviously big. They would only be seen in a small area. The parting of the Red Sea would be seen for miles around. I think this is what the OP was trying to say.

Miracles like healing people do not have the visual effect or the pomp and grandeur of moving a mountain. Jesus wasn't into making showy displays. There was no show business or 'look at me' attitude in what he did. Jesus performed solid, powerful and fruitful miracles but he did not require fireworks, earthquakes and a band of cheerleaders when he did it. This was Jesus doing his 'humble' little thing. It wasn't the opening ceremony of the Olympic games!

The smallest things are often the most powerful and the most worthy -  the big things are often showy, but quite shallow.

[OakWood]

Why does Jesus have to reveal Himself through miracles?Is it people wanting to see proof of His existence?Christians have what is called faith.

 

Yes, but Jesus knew that some people require proof before they obtain faith. There is nothing wrong with this. We're all made differently.

Cynics and sceptics require some proof because they are hard-wired that way. Faith comes later. Cynics and sceptics are less likely to fall victim to false religions - because they need to ask for evidence, and if they can't obtain evidence they at least want rational explanations.

Never forget the story of Thomas the Apostle. He was the doubting Thomas that wanted proof of Jesus' resurrection. Jesus gave it to him by asking Thomas to poke him in the ribs.

 

There are still many people that need to poke ribs!