Luke 16:19-31 The Rich Man and Lazarus

[Guest shiloh357]

Pharisees are the definition of nonbelievers! Religious zealots vs. born again real believers. If you read this parable to a nonbeliever, he would laugh at you

 

.No, the Pharisees, in Jesus' day were the "believers" in that they were the religious crowd to whom Jesus was directing this parable. 

 

Now I'm really confused. You can't change your mind about repentance after you die.

 

I don't know if in hell you can "change your mind,"  but I do know that once you're dead, there are no second chances.  You cannot get saved after you die. Once you're dead, that's it, your fate is sealed and there is no changing that.  If you reject Jesus in this life, you don't get a second chance in hell.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Well, riddle me this.....     Why "do" they baptize for the dead???

 

There is no biblical basis for baptizing for the dead.  It was an unbiblical practice where believers were baptized for unbelievers who were deceased. 

 

The only reason Paul brings this up in I Cor. 15:29 is to make a point about the resurrection. His point is that even a false teaching like baptism for the dead is predicated on a belief in a resurrection from the dead, or else it would be a futile practice for those who believe in it.  Paul was not promoting it or treating it as a legitimate Christian practice.   It is futile practice becasue there is no second chance after death.   When  a person dies without Jesus their eternal fate is sealed and there are no second chances at redemption.   You decide in this life if you accept Jesus or not.  Your decision in this life determines the eternal state yo will live in after death.

[Guest DRS81]

No, the Pharisees, in Jesus' day were the "believers" in that they were the religious crowd to whom Jesus was directing this parable.

 

No matter what they were called in Jesus day, the Pharisees were not born again believers. Who is the parable speaking too, what heart is it speaking too?

 

 I don't know if in hell you can "change your mind,"  but I do know that once you're dead, there are no second chances.  You cannot get saved after you die. Once you're dead, that's it, your fate is sealed and there is no changing that.  If you reject Jesus in this life, you don't get a second chance in hell.

 

 

But you had said that the parable is not speaking about the afterlife, that's why I'm confused.

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

I don't think this parable proves that.

There is quite a debate of it being parable!

 

What is the debate about enoob?

 

No where in the account are we given permission to call it a parable... even the naming is specific

to individuals and that is not found anywhere else in any other known parable! You do not name that

which is not! Love, Steven

 

Hmmmm....interesting.I understand there is some question as to whether this story is a true story or a parable,since two of the characters are named.

[Guest DRS81]

This is why forums are so confusing.

Poster C asks a question about poster A and B.

Poster A answers poster C.

Then poster D disagrees with poster A contradicting what he said on the first page,

because the OP is naturally a complex study.

[Guest man]

            

[missmuffet]

            

Hey share that stuff  

[OneLight]

Hell? It is real, but not forever.

Revelation 20:14

Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

[missmuffet]

Hell? It is real, but not forever.

Revelation 20:14

Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

Hell not only is real but it will last for an eternity.A person will be cast into the lake of fire with eternal conscious torment.

[Guest DRS81]

Oh geez here we go again haha.........................