Intercession by saints - is only God omnipotent?

[enoob57]

Do you think every story Jesus told was something that actually happened? The Scriptures state clearly that He spoke in parables so that the Jews would not understand Him. 

 

33 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.

34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. (Mar 4:33-34 KJV)

 

34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: (Mat 13:34 KJV)

I've seen you use this a lot for various justifications in your reasoning of Scripture... whether parable or no all that is

spoken is truth and no deception at all! Now as Christ expounded the sayings to His disciples so now we by The Holy Spirit!

 John 14:26

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will

send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things

to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

KJV

Clearly The Spirit is about that teaching to open hearts... Like this understanding

in John 17

John 17:24

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am;

that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me

before the foundation of the world.

KJV

so let me show how precept upon precept line upon line works: Here The Son

is asking for conscious disciples by >beholding< His Glory where Jesus is at!

Now take the truth of the passage in 2Cor 5:8

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent

from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

This death (absent from this present body) is to be present

with The Lord beholding His Glory as He has asked from His Father!

We can go through each of these passages if you'd like.

No not until you see the plain sense of where we are at presently

there is no sense in going any further... it isn't like I have doubts

about what I have shown you! It is undeniably the sense of these Scriptures

Love, Steven

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Everyone......

      Great post Will.................I don't know why alot of people(no one in specific here or I would have said so-lol)put limitations on God,,,,,,can we not consider that both are correct......you say,"How can this be?''Well,since God is not bound by space or time or anything else for that matter......but regarding Luke 16:23-24(and really,I think it has been written out enough times?)can we look at this as happening in Gods "I Am" present time but yet in our mortal future time?Jesus did tell us we cannot even understand the things of this world,how can we possibly understand the things of Heaven(paraphrase)John 3:12

      I just know one thing for sure is for now we can only see in part(1 Cor 13:2)and when I die I will have all the answers........as far as praying to the dead,well-I look at it this way(firstly it is forbidden by God to try to contact the dead as it has been posted numerous times)& secondly if the dead are in heaven & with Christ already,how can they have no tears & all sadness be wiped away if they were to hear & see their loved ones still on earth suffering or living a life on the path of destruction........God is too Merciful,Compassionate & Loving for that............Just my opinion.....God bless & to Him be the Glory!

                                                                                                                                            With love,in Christ-Kwik

[OakWood]

Again, nobody has picked up on the omnipotence point that I made. If the souls of the dead are truly 'sleeping' then nobody can communicate with them anyway, and if they are awake then should we try to communicate with them?

I keep hearing comparisons with living people praying for others, but this is not the same as asking dead people to pray for you.

My original point was that only God is omnipotent. So if many people in different parts of the World are praying to the same saint at the same time, he can't hear everybody. That's just simple sense to me. Plus, how do you know that he is worthy of being a saint? Only mortal men have decided that.

I think at best, Catholics are wasting there time trying to talk to Mary and at worst could be talking to malevolent spirits without knowing it. Plus, it's not scriptural. Intercession is mentioned a number of times in the Bible, but it refers to the living interceding for the living. The original Orthodox church misinterpreted this and started talking to dead people and elevating dead people to sainthood, despite God's disapproval of this as mentioned in Deuteronomy.

If there is only one intercessor between man and God, and that is Jesus then why waste time trying to talk to anyone else? If I wanted medical advice, I would speak to my doctor, I wouldn't ask my next-door-neighbour to do it for me.

[Butch5]

enoob57, on 17 Jan 2014 - 03:37 AM, said:

I've seen you use this a lot for various justifications in your reasoning of Scripture... whether parable or no all that is
spoken is truth and no deception at all! Now as Christ expounded the sayings to His disciples so now we by The Holy Spirit!
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things
to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
KJV
Clearly The Spirit is about that teaching to open hearts... Like this understanding
in John 17
John 17:24
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am;
that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me
before the foundation of the world.
KJV
so let me show how precept upon precept line upon line works: Here The Son
is asking for conscious disciples by >beholding< His Glory where Jesus is at!
Now take the truth of the passage in 2Cor 5:8
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent
from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
This death (absent from this present body) is to be present
with The Lord beholding His Glory as He has asked from His Father!

[enoob57]

If the allegory of the Rich Man and Lazarus was literal it presents numerous problems and it contradicts Scripture openly. The Scriptures say the dead are dead and know nothing. Hades is not the place of burning. If the allegory was literal it would mean that every person who has ever died, whether believer or unbeliever, is burning in Hades because Hades is the grave where everyone goes. It has dead bodies seeing, talking, moving, etc. yet the Scriptures say the body returns to the dust. We can see that bodies decay after death so it also presents a contradiction to what is visibly observable. There are more issues that could be shown.

This is really outside of this threads direction... Understanding is uniquely of God alone as that

'IS' The Last Man standing so to speak The understanding of scripture must be built like a house that we

reside in. The foundation is Jesus The Christ formed by The Holy Spirit utilizing The Written Word. In that

formation a person must through obedience in this

2 Tim 2:15

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth

not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

KJV

It is a lot of work and meditation- nearly constant in my own experience thus far but it comes with this reward

2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,

for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man

of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

KJV

It is The Mark for all who have been born into the New Life of Godliness that Paul speaks of here

Phil 3:14-15

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God

in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus

minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal

even this unto you.

KJV

The hermeneutic and exegetical sciences must be observed as God forms in you His Perfect Will.

People can argue endlessly about The Word but The Word only Speaks Once for all time... Love, Steven