Church outraged at devil's Christmas grotto

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

English vicars have banded together to protest against a Christmas grotto in which Santa lies beheaded, his elves have been impaled and visitors are greeted by the devil.

The York Dungeon has done away with Father Christmas and installed the devil in his place.

Operators of the tourist attraction in the northern English city thought they were just having a bit of fun when they created their macabre version of a Christmas grotto.

But it is all to much for local religious leaders.

Thirty have signed a letter outlining their fears, saying far from being harmless fun it was all about darkness and evil which could draw some people in.

The dungeon operators say it is a lighthearted dig at the commercialisation of Christmas.

It is not known if small children will be invited to sit on the devil's lap or pull his beard.

I'm at a sickening loss for words for this.

Faith

[Anne]

Spawn,

I get really sad when i see someone like yourself, who is throwning themselves head first into trouble.

I gonna pray for you Spawn, I know that others here will join me.

Washed in the Blood of the Lamb

Anne

[salt and light]

Christmas is of the devil anyway, it is a pagan holiday as I mentioned in another post. The York Dungeon didn't do away with Father Christmas, not really, they just revealed his true identity, the devil. Jesus has nothing to do with Christmas. Now I do not agree with what the York Dungeon did, it was a sick joke, and should not have happened. As far as sitting on the devil's lap, when a child sits on the lap of Santa Claus, they are in a sense sitting in the devil's lap, for Jesus has nothing to do with Santa Claus, and Santa is the devil's way of luring children away from what people think is a christian holiday. The devil doesn't fool me, he wants people to think that he is using people to get rid of this so called christian holiday by having manger scenes banned and leaving Christ out of Christmas, when in reality, the devil was involved in this pagan holiday from the begining. Christmas is just being revealed for what it really was and is all along, a devilish, pagan, heathen "holiday" with decorated trees, mistletoe and yule logs, which all have pagan origins. I'm not the least bit shocked by what the York Dungeon did.

[apothanein kerdos]

I don't know what is worse and more repugnant in the site of God; the lost acting as we should expect them to, or Christians becoming legalistic and baring all customs and practices of our culture no matter how harmless they are.

As for the article....I agree with their depiction of how moder Christmas is, I just don't agree with how they're getting the message across or how they're making light of it.

[Yahsway]

Salt and Light, I do agree with you. Why would "Religous Leaders" care about "Santa Claus and his elves? I thought they believed that "Jesus is the reason for the season".

It doesnt suprize me either. I saw on the news recently about some pastor here in the states that is upset that his congregation was banned from entering a Christmas flloat in the Winter Soltace Parade. Lets get real here. Why, as a Christian, would you want to participate in a pagan parade? I thought the scriptures said to "come out from among them and be ye seperate"?

Look up the word NICK. my dictionary says Nick(nik) THE DEVIL, Also OLD NICK,

it is also a slang word meaning to cheat or trick.

Look up the word Elf- a dwarfish mischievious sprite. Look up Sprite- a disembodied spirit. A fairy, elf, or goblin.

Many people have called Santa "Old Saint Nick. Hmmm, why would we want to make him out to be a Saint. Now im not talking about the person Saint Nicholas, Im talking about taking the word (Phrase) Old Nick meaning the devil and putting the titile of Saint in his name. Makes me wonder!

Also the word elf-elves, disembodied spirits? mischevious? sounds like demons to me.

HMMM Could the devil be the Father of Christ-Mass (Christmas?)

Think about it. A mass in the christian sense is regarded as a commemoration or repetition of Christs sacrafice on Calvary. At christmas time we are suppose to remember Him only right? But why do we continue to get upset when people who do not know the Lord only do what is natural for them? Santa Claus, Old Saint Nick, his elves, decorating trees (I know a lady that puts a tree in every room of her house, even in the kitchen and bathrooms) ha! Shes a pastors wife and I love her dearly, but she really goes overboard with the tree thing.

And Christmas (Christ-Mass) doesnt have anything to do with His birth, the very word implies remembering His death.

It seems to me this York Dungeon or whoever these people are, were having a Santamass, beheading him and impaling the elves. This goes to show who they think the real Father is. The devil himself. It is sick and twisted and Christians should not want to have anything to do with this darkness. But I believe Salt and Light is right on with this one. These people are showing the real identity of whom they serve. The devil.

But this is what we get when we try and mix true Christianity with the things of the world and with the father of lies.

Santa Claus brings presents to all good little boys and girls

Jesus is the present sent to a dying world, to those of us who are not so good but in need of a savior who is.

Santa has his hordes of little elves who help him(Devil has his demonic hordes)

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to guide and help us.

Santa decends thru a chimeny where smoke goes up from the fire beneath it

Jesus acended to heaven

Santas garments are Red and wight.

Jesus gives us garments of pure white if we are washed by his blood.

Milk and cookies are left out for Santa ( an offering to him)

Jesus gives us the bread of life and the wine of joy.

Theres more i wont post here but im sure you get the point.

Jesus gives us life and things eternal, santa is a counterfit that give only once a year.

I know most christians say that they do not do the "Santa" thing, and thats great! But remember, Christmas is a holiday mixed with paganistic things as well. No need in getting mad at those "pagans" who want to celebrate it the way they see it. All we can do is pray for them and try to remove all the pagan influences out of a holiday we want to deem Christian in our own lives.

[salt and light]

Yahsway,

Thankyou, and Amen to your post, it was even more enlightening on this pagan "holiday".

[other one]

The only bad thing about this story is the fact that things had to get to that level before decent people in england would get off their butts and do something about it. Now that they are starting to move on this maybe they will take it other places.

Santa is a lie from the very start, and has been an evil person since at least when I was 2. The sorry guy always brought most of my school mates better stuff than I got, and I know the lying trash that he is knew that those others were not good boys and girls. Let Him die....... Put Jesus into Christmas and let santa stay down..... If they bring out the devil himself, we can deal with the difference between he and the Lord. It is just hard to have the Lord win out over someone like Santa..... and when kids find out that santa is a lie, how can we expect them to believe that Jusus is real....... (voice of experience).

BTW this reply is to the origional news story and not to any person......

;That's my thoughts

[dgolvach]

Chorus

You better watch out

you better not cry

you better not pout

I'm telling you why

Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list

And checking it twice

Gonna find out who's naughty or nice

Santa Claus is coming to town

Bridge

He knows when you are sleeping

He knows when you're awake

He knows when you've been bad or good

So be good for goodness sake

Man...that Santa sure is a legalist!

Merry CHRISTmas

Dan

[apothanein kerdos]

Chorus

You better watch out

you better not cry

you better not pout

I'm telling you why

Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list

And checking it twice

Gonna find out who's naughty or nice

Santa Claus is coming to town

Bridge

He knows when you are sleeping

He knows when you're awake

He knows when you've been bad or good

So be good for goodness sake

Man...that Santa sure is a legalist!

Merry CHRISTmas

Dan

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Exactly why I'm going to tell my kids about Santa....he gives out gifts only to those who have shown themselves worthy....Jesus, on the hand, makes worthy of those He gives gifts to. So I mean...who would the kid rather have, Santa or Jesus?

[M45510G1C]

I once spoke with an Athiest who said:

"When I was 8, my partents told me there was no Santa. My first thought was; when will they tell me there is no God?"

The lie of Santa had a very deep emotional impact on this mans life, well over 30 years later. Not saying this is typical, but it is something to think and pray on