Deception in nonbelievers / Power in believers

[Guest DRS81]

This is interesting topic for me.

Since nonbelievers cannot see their own sin (or do not believe in a devil),

can believers see their sin as visual and clear.

Does this give believers a specific power,

for example..we can see the devil's work (the deception) in that nonbeliever as visual and clear.

[Sevenseas]

This is interesting topic for me.

Since nonbelievers cannot see their own sin (or do not believe in a devil),

can believers see their sin as visual and clear.

Does this give believers a specific power,

for example..we can see the devil's work (the deception) in that nonbeliever as visual and clear.

 

Power?  the Holy Spirit convicts of sin in both believers and those who do not believe.

 

Believers have no special power; however they do have the Holy Spirit.  Now, some choose to ignore His warnings and continue on so, does that make them believers or unbelievers?

 

BTW, you might be surprised, there are many people who believe they are Christains and yet do not believe there is a devil.  go figure

[other one]

This is interesting topic for me.

Since nonbelievers cannot see their own sin (or do not believe in a devil),

can believers see their sin as visual and clear.

Does this give believers a specific power,

for example..we can see the devil's work (the deception) in that nonbeliever as visual and clear.

I'm not really sure what you are getting at here.    first, there are natural consequences in this world for sin...    I know several non believers who recognize sin is bad both for the sinner and society as a whole....    I know people who seem to be Christians who don't believe in a real live Devil...    and worse I am familiar with a lady who at one time in her life was on her last leg and no one would come to her rescue in any way......    She practices black witchcraft and is a devoted follower of Satan....   she will tell you that she understands that Satan can not win the fight with God, but since he was the only one to show her love she is following him right into the fires of hell, and understands that's where she's headed.......   and is very comfortable knowing it's her choice.  She is actually a believer but has chosen the dark side.  She needs prayer.

 

As far as believers having power, maybe in a very focused sense of Salvation, but even there it's not our power, but the Power of the Holy Spirit that we might have.

I spent quite a few years wandering around among demonic entities thinking studying how they work would make me a better warrior.....   all it taught me was that we have absolutely no power over them in any way whatsoever.   Without the Holy Spirit we are helpless in their grasp......   and it is in my opinion something to be cognizant of all the time.  

[Guest DRS81]

and worse I am familiar with a lady who at one time in her life was on her last leg and no one would come to her rescue in any way......    She practices black witchcraft and is a devoted follower of Satan....   she will tell you that she understands that Satan can not win the fight with God, but since he was the only one to show her love she is following him right into the fires of hell, and understands that's where she's headed.......   and is very comfortable knowing it's her choice.  She is actually a believer but has chosen the dark side.  She needs prayer.

 

You mean she is deceived to think she is a believer?

[other one]

 

and worse I am familiar with a lady who at one time in her life was on her last leg and no one would come to her rescue in any way......    She practices black witchcraft and is a devoted follower of Satan....   she will tell you that she understands that Satan can not win the fight with God, but since he was the only one to show her love she is following him right into the fires of hell, and understands that's where she's headed.......   and is very comfortable knowing it's her choice.  She is actually a believer but has chosen the dark side.  She needs prayer.

 

You mean she is deceived to think she is a believer?

 

I do not believe she's deceived.....   she just chose the other side.   Picked the have it now choice and deal with the consequences later.

[Guest DRS81]

I do not believe she's deceived.....   she just chose the other side.   Picked the have it now choice and deal with the consequences later.

 

But it's impossible for a born again believer to go to hell, and this lady thought she was going to hell.

[Guest DRS81]

Power?  the Holy Spirit convicts of sin in both believers and those who do not believe.

 

Believers have no special power; however they do have the Holy Spirit.  Now, some choose to ignore His warnings and continue on so, does that make them believers or unbelievers?

 

BTW, you might be surprised, there are many people who believe they are Christains and yet do not believe there is a devil.  go figure

 

Power as in we are aware that something is spiritually off with that person.

Yes power through the holy spirit.

We have power to discern what is false because scripture says we have the mind of Christ. 1 Cor 2:16.

We can discern what is truth in believers and nonbelievers.

 

[other one]

 

I do not believe she's deceived.....   she just chose the other side.   Picked the have it now choice and deal with the consequences later.

 

But it's impossible for a born again believer to go to hell, and this lady thought she was going to hell.

 

I didn't say she was born again......  I think we would differ in our salvation requirements.....   just believing Jesus is who he said he was in my opinion will not get a person saved, it is just step one.   She has not and will not confess with her mouth that Jesus is her Lord though she knows that He is more powerful than Lucifer.

I understand that if you believe that one does not have to confess Jesus's Lordship then she would make no sense to you at all.

[Sevenseas]

 

Power?  the Holy Spirit convicts of sin in both believers and those who do not believe.

 

Believers have no special power; however they do have the Holy Spirit.  Now, some choose to ignore His warnings and continue on so, does that make them believers or unbelievers?

 

BTW, you might be surprised, there are many people who believe they are Christains and yet do not believe there is a devil.  go figure

 

Power as in we are aware that something is spiritually off with that person.

Yes power through the holy spirit.

We have power to discern what is false because scripture says we have the mind of Christ. 1 Cor 2:16.

We can discern what is truth in believers and nonbelievers.

 

 

 

 

Oh I knew what you meant.....but discernment is not magical...it is both a gift of the Holy Spirit and something that increases as it is exercised

 

All believers do not exercise this gift, even though we should , and some think they have a gift that allows them to 'read' other people even when those other people

are telling them they have it wrong

 

 Everything should be tempered with the fruit of the spirit which is different than a 'gift'

[Guest DRS81]

Everything should be tempered with the fruit of the spirit which is different than a 'gift'

 

What is the difference.

 

How do you obtain a gift...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_gifts_of_the_Holy_Spirit

 

Are these gifts even biblical?..I always question these things if they're from the catholic church.