A little freaked out

[*Zion*]

 

 

John 14:15

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

Yes, good verse.  How about the commandment to sing & make melody in your heart to the Lord? 

 

 

Exactly.  He's in command.  He is Lord.  What did everyone expect God to be like?

 

Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

[OldSchool2]

Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?

From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.

Scripturally, what is Jesus saving us from?

the future we deserve...

Amen.

A truly inspired response.

[EnochBethany]

 

 

 

John 14:15

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

Yes, good verse.  How about the commandment to sing & make melody in your heart to the Lord? 

 

 

Exactly.  He's in command.  He is Lord.  What did everyone expect God to be like?

 

Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

What did everyone expect God to be like?

That is a great question.  The Lord is holy, separate (though also immanent in creation).  Though we are made in God's image, yet He is quite different from us, His ways & thoughts are beyond our understanding.  I am reminded of words in Ps 50:

 

You thought that I was altogether such a one as yourself !

[Guest shiloh357]

We are not merely saved from sin.  We are saved into eternal life and we are saved into Jesus as both Savior and Lord.  

[nebula]

Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?

From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.

Scripturally, what is Jesus saving us from?

the future we deserve...

Amen.

A truly inspired response.

 

I asked for Scripture.

 

For example:

 

Romans 5:9 KJV - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 5:9 NAS - Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

[OldSchool2]

Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?

From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.

Scripturally, what is Jesus saving us from?

the future we deserve...

Amen.

A truly inspired response.

 

I asked for Scripture.

 

For example:

 

Romans 5:9 KJV - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 5:9 NAS - Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

As you seem to have your answers already in hand, why are you asking for more?

[nebula]

Old School, Keeping the question in context:

 

Do you see the difference between salvation and sanctification?

To require anyone seeking salvation to already be a committed, obedient and persevering disciple of Jesus is to confuse the act of salvation with sanctification, a process that takes a lifetime, and then some.

And if you "google" Lordship Salvation and COP you can see for yourself what this doctrine actually advocates.

Old School, if a woman marries a man but does not covenant to make this man "her lawfully wedded husband", what kind of marriage is it? If the woman wants the man's benefits but does not want to give the man her benefits as his wife, is she truly marrying him?

Whether the others are agreeing or disagreeing with the Google resources, I cannot say. But what I am reading from the others are not what you are saying.

A huge problem we have with Christianity today is people wanting Christianity for the benefits but still be their own god.
 
Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?

From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.

 

How can one be saved from God's wrath without the atonement? How can one be atoned without the blood of Christ being applied to them? How can the blood be applied without confession and surrender?

[OldSchool2]

Old School, Keeping the question in context:

 

 

 

Do you see the difference between salvation and sanctification?

To require anyone seeking salvation to already be a committed, obedient and persevering disciple of Jesus is to confuse the act of salvation with sanctification, a process that takes a lifetime, and then some.

And if you "google" Lordship Salvation and COP you can see for yourself what this doctrine actually advocates.

Old School, if a woman marries a man but does not covenant to make this man "her lawfully wedded husband", what kind of marriage is it? If the woman wants the man's benefits but does not want to give the man her benefits as his wife, is she truly marrying him?

Whether the others are agreeing or disagreeing with the Google resources, I cannot say. But what I am reading from the others are not what you are saying.

A huge problem we have with Christianity today is people wanting Christianity for the benefits but still be their own god.

 

Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?

 

From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.

 

 

How can one be saved from God's wrath without the atonement? How can one be atoned without the blood of Christ being applied to them? How can the blood be applied without confession and surrender?

 

I don't know, but I do know that I can be saved without Lordship Salvation; in fact, Jesus has been saving us without it for nearly 2,000 years.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Old School, Keeping the question in context:

 

 

 

Do you see the difference between salvation and sanctification?

To require anyone seeking salvation to already be a committed, obedient and persevering disciple of Jesus is to confuse the act of salvation with sanctification, a process that takes a lifetime, and then some.

And if you "google" Lordship Salvation and COP you can see for yourself what this doctrine actually advocates.

Old School, if a woman marries a man but does not covenant to make this man "her lawfully wedded husband", what kind of marriage is it? If the woman wants the man's benefits but does not want to give the man her benefits as his wife, is she truly marrying him?

Whether the others are agreeing or disagreeing with the Google resources, I cannot say. But what I am reading from the others are not what you are saying.

A huge problem we have with Christianity today is people wanting Christianity for the benefits but still be their own god.

 

Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?

 

From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.

 

 

How can one be saved from God's wrath without the atonement? How can one be atoned without the blood of Christ being applied to them? How can the blood be applied without confession and surrender?

 

I don't know, but I do know that I can be saved without Lordship Salvation; in fact, Jesus has been saving us without it for nearly 2,000 years.

 

Nope.   Jesus doesn't offer salvation apart from His Lordship.  If Jesus is not your Lord, you are not a Christian.

[nebula]

I don't know, but I do know that I can be saved without Lordship Salvation; in fact, Jesus has been saving us without it for nearly 2,000 years.

 

Old School - do you believe Jesus died just for us to get into Heaven, not to save us from Sin, and as if God doesn't care about us doing things that hurt others, hurt ourselves, and poke Him in the eye?

 

 

Can one be a recipient of God's grace without first reconciling to God? 

 

We are the ones who offended God. While the offendee needs to extend forgiveness, which God freely does, the offender needs to offer remorse and confession of the offense. They are like the child who begs the parent for escape from the punishment without acknowledgment nor remorse for their deed. Is that what grace is about?