*Zion* Posted February 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Yes, good verse. How about the commandment to sing & make melody in your heart to the Lord? Exactly. He's in command. He is Lord. What did everyone expect God to be like? Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted February 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.Scripturally, what is Jesus saving us from?the future we deserve...Amen.A truly inspired response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnochBethany Posted February 24, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 99 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/21/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2014 John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Yes, good verse. How about the commandment to sing & make melody in your heart to the Lord? Exactly. He's in command. He is Lord. What did everyone expect God to be like? Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. What did everyone expect God to be like? That is a great question. The Lord is holy, separate (though also immanent in creation). Though we are made in God's image, yet He is quite different from us, His ways & thoughts are beyond our understanding. I am reminded of words in Ps 50: You thought that I was altogether such a one as yourself ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 We are not merely saved from sin. We are saved into eternal life and we are saved into Jesus as both Savior and Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from? From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance. Scripturally, what is Jesus saving us from? the future we deserve... Amen. A truly inspired response. I asked for Scripture. For example: Romans 5:9 KJV - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5:9 NAS - Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted February 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from?From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance.Scripturally, what is Jesus saving us from?the future we deserve...Amen.A truly inspired response. I asked for Scripture. For example: Romans 5:9 KJV - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.Romans 5:9 NAS - Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.As you seem to have your answers already in hand, why are you asking for more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Old School, Keeping the question in context: Do you see the difference between salvation and sanctification? To require anyone seeking salvation to already be a committed, obedient and persevering disciple of Jesus is to confuse the act of salvation with sanctification, a process that takes a lifetime, and then some. And if you "google" Lordship Salvation and COP you can see for yourself what this doctrine actually advocates. Old School, if a woman marries a man but does not covenant to make this man "her lawfully wedded husband", what kind of marriage is it? If the woman wants the man's benefits but does not want to give the man her benefits as his wife, is she truly marrying him? Whether the others are agreeing or disagreeing with the Google resources, I cannot say. But what I am reading from the others are not what you are saying. A huge problem we have with Christianity today is people wanting Christianity for the benefits but still be their own god. Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from? From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance. How can one be saved from God's wrath without the atonement? How can one be atoned without the blood of Christ being applied to them? How can the blood be applied without confession and surrender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted February 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Old School, Keeping the question in context: Do you see the difference between salvation and sanctification? To require anyone seeking salvation to already be a committed, obedient and persevering disciple of Jesus is to confuse the act of salvation with sanctification, a process that takes a lifetime, and then some. And if you "google" Lordship Salvation and COP you can see for yourself what this doctrine actually advocates. Old School, if a woman marries a man but does not covenant to make this man "her lawfully wedded husband", what kind of marriage is it? If the woman wants the man's benefits but does not want to give the man her benefits as his wife, is she truly marrying him? Whether the others are agreeing or disagreeing with the Google resources, I cannot say. But what I am reading from the others are not what you are saying. A huge problem we have with Christianity today is people wanting Christianity for the benefits but still be their own god. Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from? From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance. How can one be saved from God's wrath without the atonement? How can one be atoned without the blood of Christ being applied to them? How can the blood be applied without confession and surrender? I don't know, but I do know that I can be saved without Lordship Salvation; in fact, Jesus has been saving us without it for nearly 2,000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Old School, Keeping the question in context: Do you see the difference between salvation and sanctification? To require anyone seeking salvation to already be a committed, obedient and persevering disciple of Jesus is to confuse the act of salvation with sanctification, a process that takes a lifetime, and then some. And if you "google" Lordship Salvation and COP you can see for yourself what this doctrine actually advocates. Old School, if a woman marries a man but does not covenant to make this man "her lawfully wedded husband", what kind of marriage is it? If the woman wants the man's benefits but does not want to give the man her benefits as his wife, is she truly marrying him? Whether the others are agreeing or disagreeing with the Google resources, I cannot say. But what I am reading from the others are not what you are saying. A huge problem we have with Christianity today is people wanting Christianity for the benefits but still be their own god. Yes, sanctification is a process, but with salvation what do you believe Jesus is saving us from? From having been saved by grace through faith, only to be condemned into trying to keep it though my own commitment, obedience and perseverance. How can one be saved from God's wrath without the atonement? How can one be atoned without the blood of Christ being applied to them? How can the blood be applied without confession and surrender? I don't know, but I do know that I can be saved without Lordship Salvation; in fact, Jesus has been saving us without it for nearly 2,000 years. Nope. Jesus doesn't offer salvation apart from His Lordship. If Jesus is not your Lord, you are not a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't know, but I do know that I can be saved without Lordship Salvation; in fact, Jesus has been saving us without it for nearly 2,000 years. Old School - do you believe Jesus died just for us to get into Heaven, not to save us from Sin, and as if God doesn't care about us doing things that hurt others, hurt ourselves, and poke Him in the eye? Can one be a recipient of God's grace without first reconciling to God? We are the ones who offended God. While the offendee needs to extend forgiveness, which God freely does, the offender needs to offer remorse and confession of the offense. They are like the child who begs the parent for escape from the punishment without acknowledgment nor remorse for their deed. Is that what grace is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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