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We as the Church or the Bride of Christ are considered a "she" not a "he"

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

So Marv, thou sayest: 

We as the Church or the Bride of Christ are considered a "she" not a "he."

 

So to make the Bible politically correct today (& not sexist) it should be retranslated as "Spouse of," instead of Bride of? And also instead of she or he, the pronoun wud be rendered "they," even though "they" is supposedly a plural pronoun?

 

 

The Bible does not need to be politically correct.  For that would water down what is true.

Eph 5:25-33   Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself or her, to make her holy, cleansing her by the wash with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle....

 

Enough said.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Marv, have u just marvelously watered down Eph 5???  Did you leave out a thing or two?

 

Left nothing out; the Church or Bride of Christ is a "her",  anything else is not the Truth.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

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We as the Church or the Bride of Christ are considered a "she" not a "he"

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

So Marv, thou sayest: 

We as the Church or the Bride of Christ are considered a "she" not a "he."

 

So to make the Bible politically correct today (& not sexist) it should be retranslated as "Spouse of," instead of Bride of? And also instead of she or he, the pronoun wud be rendered "they," even though "they" is supposedly a plural pronoun?

 

 

The Bible does not need to be politically correct.  For that would water down what is true.

Eph 5:25-33   Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself or her, to make her holy, cleansing her by the wash with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle....

 

Enough said.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Marv, have u just marvelously watered down Eph 5???  Did you leave out a thing or two?

 

Left nothing out; the Church or Bride of Christ is a "her",  anything else is not the Truth.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Marv, I don't mean you misquoted scripture. But isn't there a bit of relevant context there, non-politically correct context?

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White is a symbol of righteousness and can't be aluded to evil. The Antichrist is also not given a crown and would not conquer at the end. The rider of the white horse is given a crown and he would conquer.

What scripture do you have to establish the symbolism of white?  Have you done a concordance check of it?  Does the antichrist do any conquering?  ripping up of 3 horns?  Who is able to war with the beast?  And after the horse of conquest, that follows other than the horse of war?

 

How do you know that Antichrist is not given a stephanos crown?

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For the alusion of the Church to a she, have you also forgotten that Israel is sometimes aluded to a "she" or a "woman" but what does Jeremiah the prophet say? "Alas for that day is great, for it is a time of Jacob's trouble but He shall be saved out of it"

Now for the alusion of white to righteousness,

"Come let us reason together, for though your sins be as red as scarlet, it shall be as white as snow and though it be as red as crimson, it shall be whiter than wool" (Can't recall which portion of Isaiah this can be found). Sin is aluded to red here, while Righteousness is represented by white.

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Hi Marv,

I see several assumptions in this statement. What scriptures support this belief?

Cheers

Rev 13:3-5 - One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast, and they asked, Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him? The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 months v 6 and on "he was", "he was", "he was"

He had a fatal wound and came back to life. A type of the resurrection.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

This (he) you are referring to is one of the (seven heads) of the beast.

Revelation 13:1-3

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

You said, "At the onset of the 70th Week the A/C dies of a wound and comes back to life, a false type of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ."

You assume - this happens at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week.

You assume - one of the beasts' seven heads is a man.

You assume - this man is the antichrist.

You assume - this man dies of a wound and comes back to life.

You assume - this is an imitation resurrection of Christ.

Congratulations - five assumptions in one sentence. That may be a world record?  Not only have you drank all of the pre-trib cool-aid in the punch bowl, but you also dipped your bread in it and soaked up every last drop.

 

I don't believe any of your assumptions will come to pass, not a single one.

 

Many believe the heads of this beast represent empires that have reigned over Israel throughout history.  Interestingly, we read in Daniel 2 & 7 that the ancient Roman empire will be ruling the world again when Christ returns.  We also know this beast will devour the entire world and stamp the residue with its feet.  I believe this is the resurrection we should be looking for, obviously after the current world economy collapses.  All of the nations will follow the beast >>> new world order (globalism).  People will be thoroughly deceived and may not even realize they are worshipping the beast, but once they take the mark, it's game over.  They will have just pledged their allegiance to the father of lies forever, a strong delusion for those who do not love the truth.

 

As far as the antichrist goes, well this assumption goes back a very long way.  It is mentioned five times in first and second John.  John also penned Revelation, but nowhere in Revelation did he mention anything about antichrist.  According to John, there are many antichrist's.  Anyone that is not a believer in Christ, he is antichrist or against Christ.  But John never gave us any indication that a single antichrist man will be the worlds final dictator or that the antichrist is one of the two beast's mentioned in Revelation.  Paul called him the son of perdition or the man of lawlessness.  He may also be the little horn in Daniel 7, but there is no single antichrist man coming in the future, whether people believe it or not.  It simply is not supported by scripture, period.

 

Cheers  

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Thunder

 

Rev 13:14b - He (the False Prophet) ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.  v3 says that the wound was fatal, but the fatal wound had been healed.  Fact, not assumption.

 

Can't happen at the mid-point, for that is when this person sets up the A/D.  This beast of Rev 13 exercises his authority for only 42 months.

 

Let's go to Rev 19:20 - But the beast was captured, and with him the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf.  With these signs he had delude those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.  The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

 

The Lake of Fire is for fallen angels and the unjust.  Yet you assume that this beast is not human.  But Scripture says otherwise.

 

Need to go back to Daniel 9:27 - He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven.  In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.... He will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

 

Yet in Rev 16:13 - We see the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet and evil spirits coming out of their mouths;;; Yet this is before the7th Bowl.   The Big question is????  When did the dragon come on the scene during this 70th Week (could it be that this is the rider on the white horse or the 1st Seal, for this all begins in heaven).  For when he is here on earth, he has complete charge, the beast and false prophet are subservient to him.  Who rules during the first 3 1/2 years?   Who rules during the second 3 1/2 years?

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

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I didn't mean the rider being white, I meant he rode a white horse. Like as in "Tree frog catcher" "Wild horse trainer" e.t.c. Now to you bro! Donibm. White is a symbol of peace, if it were to be a false religion, maybe a blood red or black horse may be considered but the rider might still have a crown. And remember, as my friend Bible_Gazer had said, Christ also rides a white horse.

 

 

It could be.  White also represents Righteousness.  Wisdom.

 

Consider Revelation ... where it says that "His HEAD and his HAIR are WHITE as wool, as WHITE as snow"

 

Some think the emphasis is on texture.  It's not.  Its focused on the color.

 

 

Now, what did Solomon say about the grey hair of an old man?  It is the old mans glory.

 

 

What about the saying we have about our grey hair represents WISDOM?  Well, where do you think that comes from?  :-)

 

 

SNOW WHITE is PERFECT WISDOM.

 

 

 

But, as far as the color of the horse, well, I can accept that.  After all, don't all religions typically claim "peace"?  Wont the antichrist himself be a man of apparent "peace"?

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At no point does the Bible identify the rider of the white horse....

 

 

Revelation 6:6 -

First Seal: The Conqueror

6 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals;[a] and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

 

 

Very true.

 

Most commonly, people say the MAN - the antichrist.

 

Secondly, people say the SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST

 

I say it is religion (psuedoChristianity and all that borrows and distorts from us).

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How do you mean MorningGlory sis?

 

Just that the Bible says a rider on a white horse goes out to conquer.  The rider isn't identified in any way so we can't really do anything except conjecture. 

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Are we going to have a false rapture ?

Jesus would never allow that.You are giving Satan way too much credit and power.

 

 

A false rapture would not fool those who have been raptured, but it may fool those left behind.

But as you rightly say, Jesus would not allow a false rapture.

 

I do not believe that the Holy Spirit will leave this Earth after the Rapture.I believe that many will come to Christ during the tribulation.Christ is not out to "play games".

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