Why did Satan think he could defeat God?

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The moment you accept that Zech 3 is about Jesus you must also accept that they teach the Bible WRONG.Here JESUS is plucked from hell and called a sinner.Until people understand that the Bible is mistranslated they cannot learn.HE is the MAN OF SIN!

Now watch as I am torn to pieces.Because they cannot shake the false teachings.They see the word SIN and that is that.

It is early for me, and just sipping my first coffee, so please excuse my question. Who is "HE" that you say is the "MAN OF SIN"?

Also, why do you say the bible is mistranslated?

 

One light,

the Bible is EASILY able to be shown to be mistranslated.

EG NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE! the word is RA'AH and it means TO SEE .They added the word CANNOT.if you ask a rabbi he will tell you the same.

If no one can see God and live then why did Job Jacob and Abraham among others not die?

The Man of Sin is JESUS!

The word SIN in that passage means THE AGGREGATE of ALL SIN.the word they translated as ALL THAT IS actually means TO TEACH or TO SPEAK.the TEMPLE is the Human body.

Who else do you know that carried all sin who taught differently about God who in His TEMPLE showed He was God?

This concept of a person called THE ANTICHRIST is nonsense and not in the Bible.The Jews NEVER had such a concept.It is based on poor translation.

They are setting it up for Jesus to be called THE ANTICHRIST.

Look at Zech 3.

Jesus FULL OF SIN (after the cross).therefore HE MUST BE ON EARTH AGAIN AT SOME POINT.

just as Bible says.

The woman (CHURCH) gives birth to the child.WHERE IS THE WOMAN? ON EARTH!

Isaiah tells you that the child is born BEFORE the birth pains(tribulation)They do not teach this because pride stops them from admitting they are wrong.

 

You will have to provide scripture that you believe is mistranslated. All I see above is you hollering at me what you believe.

 

I did provide Scripture.NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE! That is SCRIPTURE! So tell me why JOB JACOB AND ABRAHAM never died.

 

I believe that says that they could not see his face and live.....    and maybe he just changed his mind.....   he's God, he can do that.

 

The word is RA'AH and means CANNOT SEE!

The problem is the TRANSLATORS believed GOD THE FATHER was on earth so changed the Bible so it fit with their beliefs.IT WAS GOD THE SON who was on earth and JOB SAW HIM so did Jacob etc.The point is they added to the Bible and they did it often.

 

I've been telling people Jesus was the God that Moses enterfaced with here at worthy for ten years.....    I'm not disagreeing with you about that, I'm just telling you what the Bible says.....  remember that John tells us that Jesus was in the form of God before he became flesh...   Part about adding to the Bible I would take issue with though.

 

You can take issue all you like.it has CLEARLY been mistranslated.Go through it and see that they added WHOLE SENTENCES! there are MANY bad translations.

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The moment you accept that Zech 3 is about Jesus you must also accept that they teach the Bible WRONG.Here JESUS is plucked from hell and called a sinner.Until people understand that the Bible is mistranslated they cannot learn.HE is the MAN OF SIN!

Now watch as I am torn to pieces.Because they cannot shake the false teachings.They see the word SIN and that is that.

It is early for me, and just sipping my first coffee, so please excuse my question. Who is "HE" that you say is the "MAN OF SIN"?

Also, why do you say the bible is mistranslated?

 

One light,

the Bible is EASILY able to be shown to be mistranslated.

EG NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE! the word is RA'AH and it means TO SEE .They added the word CANNOT.if you ask a rabbi he will tell you the same.

If no one can see God and live then why did Job Jacob and Abraham among others not die?

The Man of Sin is JESUS!

The word SIN in that passage means THE AGGREGATE of ALL SIN.the word they translated as ALL THAT IS actually means TO TEACH or TO SPEAK.the TEMPLE is the Human body.

Who else do you know that carried all sin who taught differently about God who in His TEMPLE showed He was God?

This concept of a person called THE ANTICHRIST is nonsense and not in the Bible.The Jews NEVER had such a concept.It is based on poor translation.

They are setting it up for Jesus to be called THE ANTICHRIST.

Look at Zech 3.

Jesus FULL OF SIN (after the cross).therefore HE MUST BE ON EARTH AGAIN AT SOME POINT.

just as Bible says.

The woman (CHURCH) gives birth to the child.WHERE IS THE WOMAN? ON EARTH!

Isaiah tells you that the child is born BEFORE the birth pains(tribulation)They do not teach this because pride stops them from admitting they are wrong.

 

You will have to provide scripture that you believe is mistranslated. All I see above is you hollering at me what you believe.

 

I did provide Scripture.NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE! That is SCRIPTURE! So tell me why JOB JACOB AND ABRAHAM never died.

 

 

What book, chapter, verse, and version are you using.  I could not find the phrase in any of the versions I have access to.

 

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

[ayin jade]

 

You can take issue all you like.it has CLEARLY been mistranslated.Go through it and see that they added WHOLE SENTENCES! there are MANY bad translations.

 

 

 

Who is they?

 

I have a bible that shows a word for word translation under the hebrew and greek words. I dont see whole sentences added to the bible. Can you cite one or more than one example?

[Guest shiloh357]

I did provide Scripture.NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE! That is SCRIPTURE! So tell me why JOB JACOB AND ABRAHAM never died.

 

More accurately and in line with context, no one can see God in his unfiltered glory and live.   Moses only saw a muted form God's glory when God passed by him when he was set in the cleft of the rock.

 

When people saw Jesus, they were looking God veiled in human flesh.  But they still looked at God eye to eye because Jesus was/is God.

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The moment you accept that Zech 3 is about Jesus you must also accept that they teach the Bible WRONG.Here JESUS is plucked from hell and called a sinner.Until people understand that the Bible is mistranslated they cannot learn.HE is the MAN OF SIN!

Now watch as I am torn to pieces.Because they cannot shake the false teachings.They see the word SIN and that is that.

It is early for me, and just sipping my first coffee, so please excuse my question. Who is "HE" that you say is the "MAN OF SIN"?

Also, why do you say the bible is mistranslated?

 

One light,

the Bible is EASILY able to be shown to be mistranslated.

EG NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE! the word is RA'AH and it means TO SEE .They added the word CANNOT.if you ask a rabbi he will tell you the same.

If no one can see God and live then why did Job Jacob and Abraham among others not die?

The Man of Sin is JESUS!

The word SIN in that passage means THE AGGREGATE of ALL SIN.the word they translated as ALL THAT IS actually means TO TEACH or TO SPEAK.the TEMPLE is the Human body.

Who else do you know that carried all sin who taught differently about God who in His TEMPLE showed He was God?

This concept of a person called THE ANTICHRIST is nonsense and not in the Bible.The Jews NEVER had such a concept.It is based on poor translation.

They are setting it up for Jesus to be called THE ANTICHRIST.

Look at Zech 3.

Jesus FULL OF SIN (after the cross).therefore HE MUST BE ON EARTH AGAIN AT SOME POINT.

just as Bible says.

The woman (CHURCH) gives birth to the child.WHERE IS THE WOMAN? ON EARTH!

Isaiah tells you that the child is born BEFORE the birth pains(tribulation)They do not teach this because pride stops them from admitting they are wrong.

 

You will have to provide scripture that you believe is mistranslated. All I see above is you hollering at me what you believe.

 

I did provide Scripture.NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE! That is SCRIPTURE! So tell me why JOB JACOB AND ABRAHAM never died.

 

I believe that says that they could not see his face and live.....    and maybe he just changed his mind.....   he's God, he can do that.

 

The word is RA'AH and means CANNOT SEE!

The problem is the TRANSLATORS believed GOD THE FATHER was on earth so changed the Bible so it fit with their beliefs.IT WAS GOD THE SON who was on earth and JOB SAW HIM so did Jacob etc.The point is they added to the Bible and they did it often.

 

I've been telling people Jesus was the God that Moses enterfaced with here at worthy for ten years.....    I'm not disagreeing with you about that, I'm just telling you what the Bible says.....  remember that John tells us that Jesus was in the form of God before he became flesh...   Part about adding to the Bible I would take issue with though.

 

You can take issue all you like.it has CLEARLY been mistranslated.Go through it and see that they added WHOLE SENTENCES! there are MANY bad translations.

 

what is your point?  throw the bible out, or do you have some favorite translation? I read my five translations and none of them say what you type and you don't seem to want to show me exactly yours?  So I'm kind of stumped as to where you are going.

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Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

 

When you only quote part of a sentence as you have done by just saying no man shall see me and live, you loose the context of seeing his face.

You are doing what you accuse the translators of doing.    We all know that there are many different manuscripts and there are minor differences in them, but you seem to be saying that there is some real conspiracy to lie to us.....    and that's just not so in my viewpoint.

If you are trying to get the point across that Jesus was actually the old testament God, there are many of us that would agree......   but you don't have to try and destroy the integrity of the Bible to get that point across.   Most of us get rather defensive when someone does that, and really don't pay that much attention to the point they are making.

 

The simple way of doing that is to show that Moses Aaron and 72 other people went up the mountain and they saw the God of Israel....    and show that Jesus said that no man has ever seen the Father...     the only real situation that leaves is that the God of israel that Moses and the others saw was not the Father.....   You can then show that God told Moses to tell the people that his name was "I AM"   and when the Jews were questioning him at one point about him knowing Abraham, he told them before Abraham was, I AM....   There are other reasons to suspect he was the God of Moses's time because John tells us that he was in the form of God before he became flesh....   so it's really not that hard to make the point without upsetting everyone about the trustworthiness of the Bible.

 

That's why I ask what your point is

[OneLight]

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Thank you ... this I can work with.

Exodus 33:20, from the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer

and-he-is-saying not you-are-being-able to∙to-see-of >> faces-of ∙me that not he-shall-see ∙me the ∙human and ∙he-lives :

 

 

Here are the popular versions/translations:

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see me and live." ASV

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." KJV

"But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” NIV

"But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” " NKJV

Since you say the above is translated incorrectly, how would you word it?

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You can take issue all you like.it has CLEARLY been mistranslated.Go through it and see that they added WHOLE SENTENCES! there are MANY bad translations.

 

 

 

Who is they?

 

I have a bible that shows a word for word translation under the hebrew and greek words. I dont see whole sentences added to the bible. Can you cite one or more than one example?

 

Why dont you answer EXODUS 30?The word means TO SEE and they added CANNOT! if you believe that CANNOT SEE is correct then explain why Jacob did not die.

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You said:

 

 

Go through it and see that they added WHOLE SENTENCES!

 

 

Im asking you where in the bible were whole sentences added. Your post about exodus 30 is just one word, which I see that onelight has demonstrated is not a mistranslation.

 

Where in the bible do you think whole sentences were added? 

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You can take issue all you like.it has CLEARLY been mistranslated.Go through it and see that they added WHOLE SENTENCES! there are MANY bad translations.

 

 

 

Who is they?

 

I have a bible that shows a word for word translation under the hebrew and greek words. I dont see whole sentences added to the bible. Can you cite one or more than one example?

 

Why dont you answer EXODUS 30?The word means TO SEE and they added CANNOT! if you believe that CANNOT SEE is correct then explain why Jacob did not die.

 

just what does Exodus 30 have to do with Jacob.....    you really need to start posting the scripture you are talking about because most of what you are putting on here makes no sense at all.