Bush supports cross-hating movement

[NITE OWL]

You shouldn't wrap your head around world affairs. It's ok to keep yourself informed but don't get sucked into all the darkness that abounds there. The world is full of evil and it comes in all shapes and sizes. When the presedent ( Bush ) took office, he basically stepped into that world of darkness. I've seen him compromise his faith on several occasions but that's him...not me. It's his eternity not mine.

If your going to judge someone, keep it to yourself or at the very least take it to God. Broadcasting your hates and dislikes toward certain individuals only stirs up the spirits, and by doing so you put a stumbling block in the paths of your brothers and sisters.

I don't mean to offend and if I have I am truly sorry. But you must remember, the world is full of darkness and we who are of the Light have no place there.

Just a thought

Nite Owl

[Gerioke]

Preach it WSB

[Gerioke]

Matthew 5

14 You are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Matthew 18

7 Woe to the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

John 1

9 That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 3: 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

G W needs to experience the light

[NITE OWL]

When we point fingers and name names we are executing judgement. That's not our job. We were not called to be judges but sowers. If you see your brother or sister walking in a way that is contrary to sound doctrine then yes, you should go to that person and try to show them the error of their ways. If they accept it, good. if they don't, so be it. Their eternity not your's.

If you believe the presedent is walking in darkness then go to him and explain the way of the Light. If you are unable to meet with him, take your concerns to the Father.

Walk in the Light and leave the judging to Christ.

Nite Owl

[Gerioke]

When we point fingers and name names we are executing judgement. That's not our job. We were not called to be judges but sowers. If you see your brother or sister walking in a way that is contrary to sound doctrine then yes, you should go to that person and try to show them the error of their ways. If they accept it, good. if they don't, so be it. Their eternity not your's.

If you believe the presedent is walking in darkness then go to him and explain the way of the Light. If you are unable to meet with him, take your concerns to the Father.

Walk in the Light and leave the judging to Christ.

Nite Owl

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If John Kery were president , would you advise people to jump on his homo bandwagon? Would you advise people to kill babies? If the prez is doing wrong, then he is not being a Godly prez. Would you want to be destroyed because of him?

[Ovedya]

See what you've done? You've justified wickedness, and lack of any christian leadership from the president, just because of the "society" we are in. If our society is not germane to christian values, then something needs to be changed. If the highest political office in the land has no control over morality and Godly living, then nobody does.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.....and wrong! I have not justified the wickedness of anybody. I have merely been pointing out the fact that we do not live in a theocracy under the rule of a monarchial priesthood. The highest political office in the land has no authority to control the morality of the nation. But it does have the obligation to run the country according to the will of the people, without - and pay close attention here, because this is something that the religious bigots don't seem to understand - WITHOUT preference to or exclusion of any particular group of people. That means that if a man is qualified to hold a political office the President cannot discriminate against him for any reason, despite how he personally feels about him.

Unprofessional? Hello? It is the job of every christian, professional or otherwise, to preach the gospel. Now Mr. Bush is in the most influential position in the land, and the best he can do is mention "God", and say that "Islam is a religion of peace and love" and talk about "Faith Based Programs", never mind that some of those programs are PAGAN programs which GEORGE BUSH'S bill supports!

Pagan programs?? You've got to be kidding me, right? My answer above fairly addresses your response here. Neither George W. Bush, nor any person responsible for carrying out the duties of their elected or nominated office, have the legal right or moral right to discriminate against anyone who is rightfully qualified to work for the United States government.

How ironic it is, by the way, that no more than 40 years ago we very well might have been arguing this way over African American's holding political offices!

[nebula]

Actually, Nite Owl brings up a good point.

What fruit can we expect from this discussion?

I mean, Bush is in his second term, meaning he cannot be re-elected, meaning - so let's say you succeed in convincing us to all cry, "Hypocrite!" at Pres. Bush.

What have we accomplished?

What have we changed?

Does not Scripture command us to respect and pray for our leaders?

Can we not make that the focus of our dissapoinments rather than pointing fingers?

[nebula]

Pagan programs??    You've got to be kidding me, right?  My answer above fairly addresses your response here.  Neither George W. Bush, nor any person responsible for carrying out the duties of their elected or nominated office, have the legal right or moral right to discriminate against anyone who is rightfully qualified to work for the United States government.

Gotta admit -

Freedom of religion means freedom of religion!

[Ovedya]

WhySoBlind said:

Well, was what Asa did right? or not? You can't have it both ways. Either sodomy is a sin, or it isn't. If it is, then a Christian cannot tolerate it.

So let me get this straight, it's the president's job to make sure that no sinner serves in his administration?

Yes, any sex outside of marriage is a sin, and I believe the president has stated that on more than one occasion. So does that mean anyone committing premarital or extramarital sex should be barred from any public service?

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It's his job to show leadership.

An ambassador is a representative of the U.S. and our people. For the president to send an openly gay ambassador AND his live in lover to represent us is beyond justification.

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Wrong. It's not about justification. For an American President to not show religious bigotry, and to select a man to represent America as ambassador on his qualifications and experience alone, despite any personal feelings, shows strong character and leadership.

Are you even aware that Michael Guest served in the White House and in the United States government (Foriegn Affiars) in some capacity for 4 presidencies? Take a look at his biography: http://www.osec.doc.gov/obl/romaniabulgari...Bio%20Guest.htm

Yet you openly criticize the Bush administration for not lambasting the man and holding him up as some kind of abominable gay sacrifice. You say that election of a qualified man, with a distinguished career as a foreign diplomat, to an office which he is well qualified for, is wrong [unjustified, unforgivable, etc., etc.] because he is gay. But since when has the perception of any sin prevented any man from holding a political office? Never! Not in this country, not in our government, and not in any country or government in the history of mankind! Even king David was an adulterer and a murderer!

This is nothing short of religious bigotry of the type that certain southern churches loudly preached during the civil rights movement of 50s to 60s!

[Ovedya]

When we point fingers and name names we are executing judgement. That's not our job. We were not called to be judges but sowers. If you see your brother or sister walking in a way that is contrary to sound doctrine then yes, you should go to that person and try to show them the error of their ways. If they accept it, good. if they don't, so be it. Their eternity not your's.

If you believe the presedent is walking in darkness then go to him and explain the way of the Light. If you are unable to meet with him, take your concerns to the Father.

Walk in the Light and leave the judging to Christ.

Nite Owl

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If John Kery were president , would you advise people to jump on his homo bandwagon? Would you advise people to kill babies? If the prez is doing wrong, then he is not being a Godly prez. Would you want to be destroyed because of him?

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Who are you to say that a fellow brother is cursed by God for not walking the same walk that you claim to?

"He who is without sin among you..."