The Beast From The Sea

[Sister]

 

Yeah;but it is posible that he has satans seed in him.??

 

Like jesus is the Son of God;  He has 23 chromosomes only; and just one Y (male).

Normally it should be 23 of the mother, and 23 of the father, and one Y (male) or X (female).

 

jesse.

 

 

No. You're apparently thinking that the angels must put on a flesh body to appear on earth in our earthly dimension. They do not require a flesh body. Nor does our Lord Jesus either, for His flesh body was transfigured to the Heavenly type resurrection body.

 

Salty

 

Isn't you that is saying that?

You believe that Satan himself will be the false prophet.

Satan is an angel, and the false prophet is a man. You say Satan is posing as a man?  Is that right?

[Guest Jesse]

 

 

Yeah;but it is posible that he has satans seed in him.??

 

Like jesus is the Son of God;  He has 23 chromosomes only; and just one Y (male).

Normally it should be 23 of the mother, and 23 of the father, and one Y (male) or X (female).

 

jesse.

 

 

No. You're apparently thinking that the angels must put on a flesh body to appear on earth in our earthly dimension. They do not require a flesh body. Nor does our Lord Jesus either, for His flesh body was transfigured to the Heavenly type resurrection body.

 

Salty

 

Isn't you that is saying that?

You believe that Satan himself will be the false prophet.

Satan is an angel, and the false prophet is a man. You say Satan is posing as a man?  Is that right?

 

Salty?

 

jesse.

[Last Daze]

 

 

An abstract concept like a "role" that someone plays is cast into the lake of fire?  That's new.  So his "role" will be tormented day and night forever and ever?  Sounds weird.

 

 

Where does it say that day and night torment in the Rev.19:20 Scripture? must have missed that.

 

 

You have to skootch over to Rev 20:10 to see it.

 

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

[Last Daze]

 

  Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

jesse. 

 

 

 

Yep, there it is. Reading further down we discover God was using the titles of prince and king of Tyrus (rock) to point to the "anointed cherub that covereth" that was in God's Garden of Eden, which of course means Satan.

 

 

Yep, and when you understand the influence of the supernatural on the natural, it all makes sense.  Was Peter Satan?  Or was he influenced by Satan to voice opposition to Christ's death? 

 

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”  Matt 16:23

 

They're speaking to the source, the unseen influence.  According to your reasoning, as I understand it, will the "role" that Peter played in that episode be cast into the lake of fire?

 

I think its clearly a reference to the unseen influence.  The two are not to be seen as one and the same.

[Guest Jesse]

 

 

  Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

jesse. 

 

 

 

Yep, there it is. Reading further down we discover God was using the titles of prince and king of Tyrus (rock) to point to the "anointed cherub that covereth" that was in God's Garden of Eden, which of course means Satan.

 

 

Yep, and when you understand the influence of the supernatural on the natural, it all makes sense.  Was Peter Satan?  Or was he influenced by Satan to voice opposition to Christ's death? 

 

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”  Matt 16:23

 

They're speaking to the source, the unseen influence.  According to your reasoning, as I understand it, will the "role" that Peter played in that episode be cast into the lake of fire?

 

I think its clearly a reference to the unseen influence.  The two are not to be seen as one and the same.

 

Wait.

 

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon

                                             ***the king of Tyrus***,

and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

 

The price of tyre is the man of satan.

The king of tyre is satan.

The false prophet is the man of satan.

Satan is the king of babylon.

 

jesse.

 

[Salty]

Salty

 

 

Isn't you that is saying that?

You believe that Satan himself will be the false prophet.

Satan is an angel, and the false prophet is a man. You say Satan is posing as a man?  Is that right?

 

 

There we go with that 'man' stuff again. Where did the image of man originate from per Gen.1?

 

FROM GOD'S OWN IMAGE LIKENESS

 

Does our Heavenly Father have a flesh body, ever? No, of course not, because Apostle John told us He is "a Spirit" per John 4. The image of 'man' originates in the Heavenly dimension with GOD, not from Adam in the flesh.

 

This is why... the angels also have that image of man. Definition of the name Gabriel in Hebrew = 'man of God'.

 

In both the Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 parables about Satan, God even called him a 'man'.

 

Thus... the word 'man' = an image likeness, BOTH in Heaven and on earth.

 

Because no FLESH man is judged and sentenced perish yet, that's HOW to know the "false prophet" of Rev.19:20 is NOT a flesh born man. Who is... already judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire as of today? ONLY Satan and his angels! So which one of them would be in that "false prophet" ROLE for the end? Satan himself. But Satan is not destroyed at Christ's coming, that ROLE of the "false prophet" he will play, will be destroyed then, along with his beast kingdom.

 

That's as clear as I can make it.

[Salty]

 

 

 

An abstract concept like a "role" that someone plays is cast into the lake of fire?  That's new.  So his "role" will be tormented day and night forever and ever?  Sounds weird.

 

 

Where does it say that day and night torment in the Rev.19:20 Scripture? must have missed that.

 

 

You have to skootch over to Rev 20:10 to see it.

 

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

 

 

But you have to keep the Rev.19:20 verse in context per the timing, which you are not doing, because it occurs prior to Satan's casting into the lake of fire at the end of the 1,000 years. Anything that goes into the "lake of fire" perishes, forever. The Psalms affirm that.

[Last Daze]

 

Salty

 

 

Isn't you that is saying that?

You believe that Satan himself will be the false prophet.

Satan is an angel, and the false prophet is a man. You say Satan is posing as a man?  Is that right?

 

 

There we go with that 'man' stuff again. Where did the image of man originate from per Gen.1?

 

FROM GOD'S OWN IMAGE LIKENESS

 

Does our Heavenly Father have a flesh body, ever? No, of course not, because Apostle John told us He is "a Spirit" per John 4. The image of 'man' originates in the Heavenly dimension with GOD, not from Adam in the flesh.

 

This is why... the angels also have that image of man. Definition of the name Gabriel in Hebrew = 'man of God'.

 

In both the Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 parables about Satan, God even called him a 'man'.

 

Thus... the word 'man' = an image likeness, BOTH in Heaven and on earth.

 

Because no FLESH man is judged and sentenced perish yet, that's HOW to know the "false prophet" of Rev.19:20 is NOT a flesh born man. Who is... already judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire as of today? ONLY Satan and his angels! So which one of them would be in that "false prophet" ROLE for the end? Satan himself. But Satan is not destroyed at Christ's coming, that ROLE of the "false prophet" he will play, will be destroyed then, along with his beast kingdom.

 

That's as clear as I can make it.

 

 

A more relevant question than where did man originate is "who is it that judges?"

 

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war."  Rev 19:11

 

Its no accident that the phrase "He judges and wages war" is there because that's what He is getting ready to do.  Your argument that only Satan and his angels have so far been judged and sentenced to the lake of fire does not preclude the Righteous Judge from judging on the spot and sentencing the false prophet to the lake of fire.  There's no basis for that assumption.  The false prophet is a man who is judged at the return of Christ and cast into the lake of fire.

 

The notion of "roles" and "beast kingdoms" being thrown into the lake of fire is without precedent.  It was created for the devil and his angels, not roles that they might play or things that they might do.  The goats (unbelievers) will also be there.

[Last Daze]

 

 

 

 

An abstract concept like a "role" that someone plays is cast into the lake of fire?  That's new.  So his "role" will be tormented day and night forever and ever?  Sounds weird.

 

 

Where does it say that day and night torment in the Rev.19:20 Scripture? must have missed that.

 

 

You have to skootch over to Rev 20:10 to see it.

 

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

 

 

But you have to keep the Rev.19:20 verse in context per the timing, which you are not doing, because it occurs prior to Satan's casting into the lake of fire at the end of the 1,000 years. Anything that goes into the "lake of fire" perishes, forever. The Psalms affirm that.

 

The false prophet is still there.  Not going to split hairs on this.

[Guest Jesse]

At the coming,The false prophet will be cast into the fire,and satan put in prison.

 

jesse.