other one Posted August 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,175 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,902 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2014 You all can check with Carolyn Hamlett if you care to understand. She's the only one I know that is willing to talk about it with people that are not close to them. Russ Dizdar helps people who have been involved in the past few decades and Dr. Tom Horn writes about it, but I don't know that he has any personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terraricca Posted August 29, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 95 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/27/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1941 Share Posted August 29, 2014 hi if God becomes our father would this not mean that we are his son , but ,but at what time can this be true ? Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. so scriptures says that we can BECOME CHILDREN of God , again at what point are or have we become children of God ;? understand that no matter what God remain our heavenly father for we are his creation ,but we are not born his child but a human child a child of the flesh , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted August 29, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,224 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,510 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Hi Cloe, Great minds think alike!!!!! Hi Hall7, Thanks for the chat, maybe we`ll agree on other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted August 29, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted August 29, 2014 hi if God becomes our father would this not mean that we are his son , but ,but at what time can this be true ? Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. so scriptures says that we can BECOME CHILDREN of God , again at what point are or have we become children of God ;? understand that no matter what God remain our heavenly father for we are his creation ,but we are not born his child but a human child a child of the flesh , as soon as one puts on immortality then one would be his son or daughter; not before; before one only has the power TO Become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted August 29, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2014 Hi Hall7, You said, - `When they fell and came to Earth humans weren't aware that they were fallen beings and that's why I believe they called them the sons of God, because they were His creation that came from heaven to Earth.` Do you realise that the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible so therefore there is no `they.` The bottom line is as always - `Who do we believe?` 1. the lie - by fallen men with fallen thoughts scratching around in the dirt, or 2. the truth - by the Lord Jesus Christ who came from heaven to tell us the truth. And part of that truth is that there are - sons of God with His nature & sons of the Devil with his nature. Therefore the `sons of God` in Genesis are not fallen sons of the devil, nor holy angels but men from the line of Seth that sought after God. Marilyn The Holy Spirit did not 'write' the Bible. One cannot completely devalue the human interaction with God and spiritualize everything as though the Bible appeared. What God does, He does through those who belong to Him...which is not to say He does not act soverignly. Men wrote the Bible as they were inspired and instructed of God. However, the actual personalities of these men are apparent in the books they wrote. There is a 'they'. In fact many theys and a cast of many thousands...in fact millions. The bottom line is actually good biblical exegesis, study, prayer and spiritual revelation of the truths of God. We are allowed to question...that is how we get answers. There are more then two thoughts on who 'the sons of god' mentionned in Genesis are. People are allowed to express those thoughts. I personally believe the Bible is plain on who they are/were...however, none of that alters the basic message of the Bible. The passing reference in Genesis is not referring to those who lie and by default fall into satan's camp. That, is not what Jesus was talking about. "Who were the authors of the books of the Bible?" Answer:Ultimately, above the human authors, the Bible was written by God.Second Timothy 3:16tells us that the Bible was “breathed out” by God. God superintended the human authors of the Bible so that, while using their own writing styles and personalities, they still recorded exactly what God intended. The Bible was not dictated by God, but it was perfectly guided and entirely inspired by Him.Humanly speaking, the Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 1500 years. Isaiah was a prophet, Ezra was a priest, Matthew was a tax-collector, John was a fisherman,Paulwas a tentmaker, Moses was a shepherd, Luke was a physician. Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries, the Bible does not contradict itself and does not contain any errors. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ (John 14:6;Acts 4:12).Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-authors.html#ixzz3BmtL9mkD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted August 29, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2014 The confusion of the understanding of this verse is quite common amongst readers who haven't compared the writings of different Bible versions: New International Version Job 1:6 6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” (Footnote: a.Job 1:6 Hebrew the sons of God) King James Version: 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. In conclusion, angels (fallen or not) are sons of God and sons of God are angels... Agreed. Someone wrote some posts back (or maybe in another thread) that Job was actually present here. That is just a very bad understanding of what the Bible actually says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted August 29, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted August 29, 2014 The confusion of the understanding of this verse is quite common amongst readers who haven't compared the writings of different Bible versions: New International Version Job 1:6 6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” (Footnote: a.Job 1:6 Hebrew the sons of God) King James Version: 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. In conclusion, angels (fallen or not) are sons of God and sons of God are angels... Agreed. Someone wrote some posts back (or maybe in another thread) that Job was actually present here. That is just a very bad understanding of what the Bible actually says. John 3:13 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. I agree Job could not have been with the sons of God ( angels ) while they stood before God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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