Which day is the Sabbath and is it still valid today?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

  I can bet if we went down all 613 commmandments there a lot you don't keep. 

 

And that is why Christ had to come in the first place. Because none of us do.

 

My point is that you are inconsistent.   If the standard of loving God is keeping the commandments, then until you are keeping all 613, until you have visited your perfectionism on your own disobedience of even one of the 613 commandments, you have nothing to say to me about the Sabbath.

 

According to my knowledge which I extracted from the Bible is that there are only Ten Commandments and not 613 of them.

 

the law contains the commandment to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and strength, there is a commandment to love your neighbor as yourself.  There are commandments about the seven annual festivals, commandments about the sacrifices and the dietary laws.

 

All of that is contained in the law, outside of the ten commandments.  Anyone who knows the Bible knows there are 613 commadments.  There are commandments about hygiene and ethics.   Frankly your knowledge isn't that extensive.

 

I asked the question on this forum if the Bible is a complete document to study from and everybody commented on it to say that is all I need. Where do you get the 613 commands because that does not appear in the Bible I use.

 

See above....   Maybe you need to starting reading it better.

 

 

I am not inconsistent in my statements as they all linked to each other and can explain everything as I understand it from the Bible. I originally asked that people provide me proof from the Bible but was shot down for such a request, but I get many requests now to prove my point from the Bible, a little bit biast I think.

 

Yeah, you are inconsistent.  Either you keep the whole law, all 613 commandments or none of it.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

 

Certain laws were abolished with the coming of Jesus Christ ie. circumcision, burn offerings etc. that were part of the law of Moses, also written on papyrus. The Ten Commandments given by God and written on stone by God Himself, are still valid in my opinion and still need to be kept. I also do not believe in quoting a name to say that it belonged to either Jesus Christ or God which is not confirmed in the Bible. To quote Yeshua, Jehovah, Yashua, Jahweh etc could all be wrong as there is only one name for God and if people are using any other name that is not in line with God's Name, then I think God will not be to happy about it.

 

 

 

 

The problem with that is that the Bible doesn't make that distinction.  That is just something you manufactured.  Nowhere does the Bible say that some of the law is temporary, but the ten commandments are permanent.

 

There is a definite comparison between the old laws and the Commandments. 1 Cor 7:19 refers to the old laws ie. circumcision and says that it is nothing, which means it has no value, but the upholding the Commandments of God which is now important and has value. The reference to the Commandments include all ten of them. Gal 5:6 confirms that in Jesus the old law of circumcision/non-circumcision has no value, also a comparison between the old laws and the Love commandments which Jesus has taught. In Gal 6:15 you will also note a similar comparison and it mentions that the circumcision, linked to the old laws, has no power but the power lies in Jesus Christ. So my statement was not manufactured, but based on scripture. These texts confirm that the coming of Jesus Christ, has nullified all the old laws and for Him to confirm the laws that God has written on stone is still valid, says it all. The fact that  Mat 19:17 confirms that to enter life, you need to keep the Commandments. 2 Joh 1:6 confirms that you still need to keep the Commandments and 1 Tim 6:14 confirms that the Commandments be kept until Jesus comes again. Everything here has been proven by scripture from the Bible. I trust that you will accept this. If you don't, you need to supply me with scripture from the Bible to prove me wrong.

 

So now you are saying that in order to have eternal life, we must keep the ten commandments including the Sabbath?  Salvation is based on keeping the law according to you?

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There are many arguments about which day is the Sabbath day and whether it is still valid or not today. Any opinions? I use the Bible KJV and only texts from the Bible must be provided please to prove your point.

The Sabbath day is from friday evening to saturday evening.   But Jesus is the true Sabbath.   When I got saved, I entered into His rest.  I don't need the sabbath day when I have Jesus.

 

So you also agree that the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening. I do not understand how you can say Jesus is the true Sabbath. The Sabbath is God's rest. How can Jesus be God's rest? Jesus is God's son. If we need to rest on the Sabbath like God, then we should rest on the Saturday, right?

 

what you don't seem to understand is that the Sabbath is a picture or foreshadowing of Jesus as our rest.   We rest in Christ for salvation, we rest in Him for all that we need.  Jesus is the epitome of God's rest.  He is what the Sabbath day was pointing to.  When we enter into Jesus, we are entering the rest God has provided for our hearts.

 

Actually Sabbath Day is a foreshadow when Yeshua comes back to the earn to rule as King for 1000 years of peace (sabbath). 

 

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

From what I understand is that the 1000 years, the millennium, is the seventh 1000 years period, also the symbolical sabbath where Satan will be locked in the pit of darkness where he will not be able to influence anybody on this earth. He will be forced to rest on this Sabbath as he has influenced the world to break the Sabbath. I further believe that Jesus will be in heaven with the saved ones, that were resurrected just before the 1000 year period, during this 1000 year period.

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There are many arguments about which day is the Sabbath day and whether it is still valid or not today. Any opinions? I use the Bible KJV and only texts from the Bible must be provided please to prove your point.

The Sabbath day is from friday evening to saturday evening.   But Jesus is the true Sabbath.   When I got saved, I entered into His rest.  I don't need the sabbath day when I have Jesus.

So you also agree that the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening. I do not understand how you can say Jesus is the true Sabbath. The Sabbath is God's rest. How can Jesus be God's rest? Jesus is God's son. If we need to rest on the Sabbath like God, then we should rest on the Saturday, right?

Jesus is also God. He also was our Creator, with the Father and the Holy Spirit. They are one God.

Jesus rested from His work when He said "it is finished and died on the cross. He had obeyed our Father perfectly and He had kept all the commandments perfectly on our behalf.. He had paid for our sin on the cross and had put His righteousness on our account sheet. He had purchased us back from Satan with His blood. He also ratified the new covenant with His blood. The new covenant is all about what Jesus did for us, and not about anything we can do. By grace you have saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a GIFT of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 When we believe in Christ we trust Him and rely on Him.

When we turn from our sinful life to God for forgiveness, He gives us His own Spirit and His own life to live in us. We are born again.

He gives us new desires to want to live a life that brings Him praise. We are adopted into His family. No one has to keep the commandments to be saved. We want to keep them because we are already saved. God demonstrated His love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Most Christians celebrate resurrection Sunday, First Fruits in the Jewish calandar and Easter Sunday in ours, and make Sunday our day of worship and rest for that reason. But there is nothing wrong in keeping Saturday. Paul spoke frequently of speaking to the Jews on Saturday mornings and speaking to the gentiles saturday afternoon and evening after sunset till midnight. Saturday evening was considered the first day to the Jews. He spoke of taking up an offering for the poor on the first day of the week when they were gathered together.

I hope this helps to clear up your confusion.

Willa

WilIa, Thanks for your reply. I have read many of the articles that were posted on this site as was suggested by some members and there are many different views, some that makes sense and others very confusing. 

I believe the following. Jesus was God. He has given up His Godly status when He became man. He died as man and was resurrected as man and is now sitting on the right hand side of God as man, as the High Priest.There are now two separate entities. The Holy Spirit on this earth did not exist until Jesus was resurrected. God's powers worked through Jesus Christ when He was on earth, and He received it when He was baptized. Only the people that accept Jesus Christ in their lives, the born again, receives this same power from Jesus Christ to work on earth ie. the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the only way to God. Man cannot go direct to God by cutting Jesus out of the picture. I further believe that when you have accepted Jesus Christ in your life, He has written the law of God on your heart which means that you will want to live out the law that God has given to us as the law of God is the clear indication of what pure love is. Pure love to love God and to your neighbour. By not using His Name in vain, and not carving out statues and pray to them, and holding the Sabbath, your show your pure love to God, by not stealing, murdering, coveting etc, you show your pure love towards your neighbour. God was very specific with His Commandments, and He does not make mistakes, to show what this pure love is. If He thought that we could use any day to rest He would not have mentioned it in the Commandments, but He spesifically mentioned Sabbath, and that is linked to the first seventh day of creation, which incidentally was holied and blessed by God Himself, and this seven day cycle has never changed from creation up to now. The Saturday is the Sabbath and it is still valid and in line with God's Commandments and still needs to be respected, if we love God. Paul has also said that the Commandments be held until Jesus comes again and John said that nothing of the Commandments may be changed.There are many quotes in the Bible that if we love God, we will keep the Commandments, all of them, and not nine out of ten.

Satan is the master deceiver. He does not want people to be saved, to be children of God. That is why he is using his agents to spread the lies or theories, to create doubt in mankind's mind. His first victim was Eve and he tried his deception with Jesus Christ but failed, and that all by twisting the Word of God. We need to be very aware of what is being said and to compare it to God's Word and to see whether it is twisted or not. Satan is doing this as he knows that he has no chance in heaven anymore, and that he is going to be destroyed by fire and brimstone. He is doing everything in his power to destroy mankind as they still have a chance to enter the gates of heaven. The only way for mankind to survive these attacks from Satan, is to love and obey God, and God has given us the guidelines, the Ten Commandments.

People are deceived if they believe that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities.  That is not the Christian faith.  They are one God from the time Jesus was born as God With Us Emmanuel.  He was God the Son in human flesh on earth.  

Satan will be overcome by the Blood of Christ and the word of our testimonies (as to our relationship with God). We can only testify to our experience in court.  

Satan is never overcome by how well we keep the 10 commandments.  As you said, they are guidelines, not the law that we must uphold to make it into heaven.  People are deceived if they believe we must keep the sabbath to keep from going to hell.  

Brother, I am deeply concerned that you have been misguided.  

Blessings,

Willa

I do not say that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities. God the Son, also the Word that was with God and then became flesh on this earth, is Jesus Christ. God gave His Son the instruction to come down to this earth to do the specific tasks. But to do that He, the Son of God or Jesus, had to give up His Godly status that He had, to become man. That left God the Father alone in heaven while Jesus was on this earth. If Jesus was God on this earth, He could not have died, as a God cannot die. Jesus had to become man to show the people around Him what can and cannot be done as man. He had to be on this earth to prove to mankind that God exists and that He has a lot of power. Jesus did not do the miracles Himself but it was God that worked through Him, Jesus Christ. He also had to show mankind who Satan was and his works and Jesus' job was to break the works of Satan. Jesus had to die on the cross as man, to take the whole world's sin on His shoulders, and not God, otherwise His death would be a bluff to mankind. He died on the cross and was buried like man and God raised Him from the dead. Jesus did not raise Himself. Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of God, still with the wound marks on His hands, feet and side. Satan now has therefore no proof that Jesus did not die on the cross as man, and that He was a God who could in fact not die, as Jesus can show the people the wounds at judgement day and thus proving Satan incorrect.

Please re-read the first article and look at the total picture that I gave and please do not misquote what I have said. Nowhere did I quote the word hell or that you must keep the Sabbath to keep from going to hell .

Jesus is God. When you quoted part of John 1 you stopped short a few words. It says the Word was with God and The Word WAS God. Also check out John 18: 5-7. It says several times I am he. The part I AM is Gods name. He basicly called Himself God. If you look into the text pretranslation its clear.

 

That is your opinion but is not logical. Please explain to me the following if you say Jesus is God. Did Jesus send Himself to earth? Was Father God man on this earth? Did Jesus(God) pray to Himself, did Jesus(God) baptize Himself with the Holy Spirit, did Jesus Jesus (God) heal people Himself with His own powers, did Jesus(God) die on the cross as I believe that God cannot die, did Jesus(God) raise Himself from the grave, did Jesus (God) take Himself to heaven, did Jesus(God) take a seat on His own right hand side? If you honestly cannot say yes to any of these questions, then I believe I am right in my belief. How many Gods are there in existance right now?

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Certain laws were abolished with the coming of Jesus Christ ie. circumcision, burn offerings etc. that were part of the law of Moses, also written on papyrus. The Ten Commandments given by God and written on stone by God Himself, are still valid in my opinion and still need to be kept. I also do not believe in quoting a name to say that it belonged to either Jesus Christ or God which is not confirmed in the Bible. To quote Yeshua, Jehovah, Yashua, Jahweh etc could all be wrong as there is only one name for God and if people are using any other name that is not in line with God's Name, then I think God will not be to happy about it.

 

 

 

 

The problem with that is that the Bible doesn't make that distinction.  That is just something you manufactured.  Nowhere does the Bible say that some of the law is temporary, but the ten commandments are permanent.

 

There is a definite comparison between the old laws and the Commandments. 1 Cor 7:19 refers to the old laws ie. circumcision and says that it is nothing, which means it has no value, but the upholding the Commandments of God which is now important and has value. The reference to the Commandments include all ten of them. Gal 5:6 confirms that in Jesus the old law of circumcision/non-circumcision has no value, also a comparison between the old laws and the Love commandments which Jesus has taught. In Gal 6:15 you will also note a similar comparison and it mentions that the circumcision, linked to the old laws, has no power but the power lies in Jesus Christ. So my statement was not manufactured, but based on scripture. These texts confirm that the coming of Jesus Christ, has nullified all the old laws and for Him to confirm the laws that God has written on stone is still valid, says it all. The fact that  Mat 19:17 confirms that to enter life, you need to keep the Commandments. 2 Joh 1:6 confirms that you still need to keep the Commandments and 1 Tim 6:14 confirms that the Commandments be kept until Jesus comes again. Everything here has been proven by scripture from the Bible. I trust that you will accept this. If you don't, you need to supply me with scripture from the Bible to prove me wrong.

 

So now you are saying that in order to have eternal life, we must keep the ten commandments including the Sabbath?  Salvation is based on keeping the law according to you?

 

I did not say that "in order to have eternal life, we must keep the ten commandments including the Sabbath" and that "Salvation is based on keeping the law", for one moment. I believe that to have eternal life is to have Jesus in your life first of all. You have to accept Jesus as the Son of God and to follow Him. You cannot ignore Jesus and go direct to God. Secondly, you should go through the baptism process to wash off all the old sins. You are also baptized with the Holy Spirit when you have accepted Jesus Christ in your life. In this process of becoming a child of Jesus Christ, the Commandments of God will be written on your heart by the Holy Spirit, which means that you will want to obey the Commandments as is, with no exceptions as you know then that you will please God by doing it. God knows your heart and when He sees that you are serious of being His child, He will give you the grace and strength to persist in it. It is only then when it really becomes easy to follow the Commandments of God. I also believe that God will only give you light when He sees that you are really interested in becoming a true child. The Bible quotes that in the end of times people will see but not see and hear but will not hear. We all need to open our eyes and ears and accept that we could be wrong in what we are believing in and be prepared to change if it be necessary. That is why the Bible also quote that we need to search for the truth between all the teachings, and to retain that which is right. We cannot all be right because we all differ and there is only one truth. 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are many arguments about which day is the Sabbath day and whether it is still valid or not today. Any opinions? I use the Bible KJV and only texts from the Bible must be provided please to prove your point.

The Sabbath day is from friday evening to saturday evening.   But Jesus is the true Sabbath.   When I got saved, I entered into His rest.  I don't need the sabbath day when I have Jesus.

So you also agree that the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening. I do not understand how you can say Jesus is the true Sabbath. The Sabbath is God's rest. How can Jesus be God's rest? Jesus is God's son. If we need to rest on the Sabbath like God, then we should rest on the Saturday, right?

Jesus is also God. He also was our Creator, with the Father and the Holy Spirit. They are one God.

Jesus rested from His work when He said "it is finished and died on the cross. He had obeyed our Father perfectly and He had kept all the commandments perfectly on our behalf.. He had paid for our sin on the cross and had put His righteousness on our account sheet. He had purchased us back from Satan with His blood. He also ratified the new covenant with His blood. The new covenant is all about what Jesus did for us, and not about anything we can do. By grace you have saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a GIFT of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 When we believe in Christ we trust Him and rely on Him.

When we turn from our sinful life to God for forgiveness, He gives us His own Spirit and His own life to live in us. We are born again.

He gives us new desires to want to live a life that brings Him praise. We are adopted into His family. No one has to keep the commandments to be saved. We want to keep them because we are already saved. God demonstrated His love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Most Christians celebrate resurrection Sunday, First Fruits in the Jewish calandar and Easter Sunday in ours, and make Sunday our day of worship and rest for that reason. But there is nothing wrong in keeping Saturday. Paul spoke frequently of speaking to the Jews on Saturday mornings and speaking to the gentiles saturday afternoon and evening after sunset till midnight. Saturday evening was considered the first day to the Jews. He spoke of taking up an offering for the poor on the first day of the week when they were gathered together.

I hope this helps to clear up your confusion.

Willa

WilIa, Thanks for your reply. I have read many of the articles that were posted on this site as was suggested by some members and there are many different views, some that makes sense and others very confusing. 

I believe the following. Jesus was God. He has given up His Godly status when He became man. He died as man and was resurrected as man and is now sitting on the right hand side of God as man, as the High Priest.There are now two separate entities. The Holy Spirit on this earth did not exist until Jesus was resurrected. God's powers worked through Jesus Christ when He was on earth, and He received it when He was baptized. Only the people that accept Jesus Christ in their lives, the born again, receives this same power from Jesus Christ to work on earth ie. the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the only way to God. Man cannot go direct to God by cutting Jesus out of the picture. I further believe that when you have accepted Jesus Christ in your life, He has written the law of God on your heart which means that you will want to live out the law that God has given to us as the law of God is the clear indication of what pure love is. Pure love to love God and to your neighbour. By not using His Name in vain, and not carving out statues and pray to them, and holding the Sabbath, your show your pure love to God, by not stealing, murdering, coveting etc, you show your pure love towards your neighbour. God was very specific with His Commandments, and He does not make mistakes, to show what this pure love is. If He thought that we could use any day to rest He would not have mentioned it in the Commandments, but He spesifically mentioned Sabbath, and that is linked to the first seventh day of creation, which incidentally was holied and blessed by God Himself, and this seven day cycle has never changed from creation up to now. The Saturday is the Sabbath and it is still valid and in line with God's Commandments and still needs to be respected, if we love God. Paul has also said that the Commandments be held until Jesus comes again and John said that nothing of the Commandments may be changed.There are many quotes in the Bible that if we love God, we will keep the Commandments, all of them, and not nine out of ten.

Satan is the master deceiver. He does not want people to be saved, to be children of God. That is why he is using his agents to spread the lies or theories, to create doubt in mankind's mind. His first victim was Eve and he tried his deception with Jesus Christ but failed, and that all by twisting the Word of God. We need to be very aware of what is being said and to compare it to God's Word and to see whether it is twisted or not. Satan is doing this as he knows that he has no chance in heaven anymore, and that he is going to be destroyed by fire and brimstone. He is doing everything in his power to destroy mankind as they still have a chance to enter the gates of heaven. The only way for mankind to survive these attacks from Satan, is to love and obey God, and God has given us the guidelines, the Ten Commandments.

People are deceived if they believe that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities.  That is not the Christian faith.  They are one God from the time Jesus was born as God With Us Emmanuel.  He was God the Son in human flesh on earth.  

Satan will be overcome by the Blood of Christ and the word of our testimonies (as to our relationship with God). We can only testify to our experience in court.  

Satan is never overcome by how well we keep the 10 commandments.  As you said, they are guidelines, not the law that we must uphold to make it into heaven.  People are deceived if they believe we must keep the sabbath to keep from going to hell.  

Brother, I am deeply concerned that you have been misguided.  

Blessings,

Willa

I do not say that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities. God the Son, also the Word that was with God and then became flesh on this earth, is Jesus Christ. God gave His Son the instruction to come down to this earth to do the specific tasks. But to do that He, the Son of God or Jesus, had to give up His Godly status that He had, to become man. That left God the Father alone in heaven while Jesus was on this earth. If Jesus was God on this earth, He could not have died, as a God cannot die. Jesus had to become man to show the people around Him what can and cannot be done as man. He had to be on this earth to prove to mankind that God exists and that He has a lot of power. Jesus did not do the miracles Himself but it was God that worked through Him, Jesus Christ. He also had to show mankind who Satan was and his works and Jesus' job was to break the works of Satan. Jesus had to die on the cross as man, to take the whole world's sin on His shoulders, and not God, otherwise His death would be a bluff to mankind. He died on the cross and was buried like man and God raised Him from the dead. Jesus did not raise Himself. Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of God, still with the wound marks on His hands, feet and side. Satan now has therefore no proof that Jesus did not die on the cross as man, and that He was a God who could in fact not die, as Jesus can show the people the wounds at judgement day and thus proving Satan incorrect.

Please re-read the first article and look at the total picture that I gave and please do not misquote what I have said. Nowhere did I quote the word hell or that you must keep the Sabbath to keep from going to hell .

Jesus is God. When you quoted part of John 1 you stopped short a few words. It says the Word was with God and The Word WAS God. Also check out John 18: 5-7. It says several times I am he. The part I AM is Gods name. He basicly called Himself God. If you look into the text pretranslation its clear.

 

That is your opinion but is not logical. Please explain to me the following if you say Jesus is God. Did Jesus send Himself to earth? Was Father God man on this earth? Did Jesus(God) pray to Himself, did Jesus(God) baptize Himself with the Holy Spirit, did Jesus Jesus (God) heal people Himself with His own powers, did Jesus(God) die on the cross as I believe that God cannot die, did Jesus(God) raise Himself from the grave, did Jesus (God) take Himself to heaven, did Jesus(God) take a seat on His own right hand side? If you honestly cannot say yes to any of these questions, then I believe I am right in my belief. How many Gods are there in existance right now?

 

No, Jesus forgave sins, received worship, exercised personal power over death and nature and claimed to be eternal life and the giver of Eternal life.   Jesus was and is God.

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MT 12:11 And He said to them, “ What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 

MT 12:12 “ How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

 

MK 2:27 Jesus said to them, “ The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 

MK 2:28 “So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

 

MK 3:2 They were watching Him to see if He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. 

MK 3:4 And He *said to them, “Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to kill?”

 

LK 6:9 And Jesus said to them, “I ask you, is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to destroy it?” 

LK 13:10 And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 

LK 13:14 But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, “ There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” 

LK 13:15 But the Lord answered him and said, “You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him? 

LK 13:16 “And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?”

 

LK 13:16 “And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?”

 

JN 5:16 For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath.

 

are you guys not doing the same thing as those Jews did to Christ ?

 

 

 

Do you think that the Sabbath is important?

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Tff, I encourage you to study the scriptures for yourself on this. What I am telling you is meat. Go back and re read all the posts on this. There is a multitude of scripture that says beyind any doubt, Jesus Christ is God.

I have made a study on Jesus Christ and that is the only logical conclusion that I could come to. There are too many unresolved questions if I accept that Jesus was God on this earth and I have posted these questions on some of my discussions. The Bible has been given to us to read and understand. God will give those that really want to know the truth as I understand it, the knowledge and logic to sort out the many facts in the Bible to picture to whole truth. To those who have their own minds and follow their teachers, ministers, pastors and priests blindly, will suffer the consequences. I do not belong to any church and therefore make up my own mind and everything that I write here gells with the teaching of the Bible. I am also here to learn because there are many things that we all need to know and I am prepared to change where necessary. But before any change take place, I need to be convinced as anybody else on this forum.

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  I can bet if we went down all 613 commmandments there a lot you don't keep. 

 

And that is why Christ had to come in the first place. Because none of us do.

 

My point is that you are inconsistent.   If the standard of loving God is keeping the commandments, then until you are keeping all 613, until you have visited your perfectionism on your own disobedience of even one of the 613 commandments, you have nothing to say to me about the Sabbath.

 

According to my knowledge which I extracted from the Bible is that there are only Ten Commandments and not 613 of them.

 

the law contains the commandment to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and strength, there is a commandment to love your neighbor as yourself.  There are commandments about the seven annual festivals, commandments about the sacrifices and the dietary laws.

 

All of that is contained in the law, outside of the ten commandments.  Anyone who knows the Bible knows there are 613 commadments.  There are commandments about hygiene and ethics.   Frankly your knowledge isn't that extensive.

 

I asked the question on this forum if the Bible is a complete document to study from and everybody commented on it to say that is all I need. Where do you get the 613 commands because that does not appear in the Bible I use.

 

See above....   Maybe you need to starting reading it better.

 

 

I am not inconsistent in my statements as they all linked to each other and can explain everything as I understand it from the Bible. I originally asked that people provide me proof from the Bible but was shot down for such a request, but I get many requests now to prove my point from the Bible, a little bit biast I think.

 

Yeah, you are inconsistent.  Either you keep the whole law, all 613 commandments or none of it.

 

I will keep the Ten Commandments that is written on my heart. Thanks for all your comments.

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There are many arguments about which day is the Sabbath day and whether it is still valid or not today. Any opinions? I use the Bible KJV and only texts from the Bible must be provided please to prove your point.

The Sabbath day is from friday evening to saturday evening.   But Jesus is the true Sabbath.   When I got saved, I entered into His rest.  I don't need the sabbath day when I have Jesus.

So you also agree that the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening. I do not understand how you can say Jesus is the true Sabbath. The Sabbath is God's rest. How can Jesus be God's rest? Jesus is God's son. If we need to rest on the Sabbath like God, then we should rest on the Saturday, right?

Jesus is also God. He also was our Creator, with the Father and the Holy Spirit. They are one God.

Jesus rested from His work when He said "it is finished and died on the cross. He had obeyed our Father perfectly and He had kept all the commandments perfectly on our behalf.. He had paid for our sin on the cross and had put His righteousness on our account sheet. He had purchased us back from Satan with His blood. He also ratified the new covenant with His blood. The new covenant is all about what Jesus did for us, and not about anything we can do. By grace you have saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a GIFT of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 When we believe in Christ we trust Him and rely on Him.

When we turn from our sinful life to God for forgiveness, He gives us His own Spirit and His own life to live in us. We are born again.

He gives us new desires to want to live a life that brings Him praise. We are adopted into His family. No one has to keep the commandments to be saved. We want to keep them because we are already saved. God demonstrated His love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Most Christians celebrate resurrection Sunday, First Fruits in the Jewish calandar and Easter Sunday in ours, and make Sunday our day of worship and rest for that reason. But there is nothing wrong in keeping Saturday. Paul spoke frequently of speaking to the Jews on Saturday mornings and speaking to the gentiles saturday afternoon and evening after sunset till midnight. Saturday evening was considered the first day to the Jews. He spoke of taking up an offering for the poor on the first day of the week when they were gathered together.

I hope this helps to clear up your confusion.

Willa

WilIa, Thanks for your reply. I have read many of the articles that were posted on this site as was suggested by some members and there are many different views, some that makes sense and others very confusing. 

I believe the following. Jesus was God. He has given up His Godly status when He became man. He died as man and was resurrected as man and is now sitting on the right hand side of God as man, as the High Priest.There are now two separate entities. The Holy Spirit on this earth did not exist until Jesus was resurrected. God's powers worked through Jesus Christ when He was on earth, and He received it when He was baptized. Only the people that accept Jesus Christ in their lives, the born again, receives this same power from Jesus Christ to work on earth ie. the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the only way to God. Man cannot go direct to God by cutting Jesus out of the picture. I further believe that when you have accepted Jesus Christ in your life, He has written the law of God on your heart which means that you will want to live out the law that God has given to us as the law of God is the clear indication of what pure love is. Pure love to love God and to your neighbour. By not using His Name in vain, and not carving out statues and pray to them, and holding the Sabbath, your show your pure love to God, by not stealing, murdering, coveting etc, you show your pure love towards your neighbour. God was very specific with His Commandments, and He does not make mistakes, to show what this pure love is. If He thought that we could use any day to rest He would not have mentioned it in the Commandments, but He spesifically mentioned Sabbath, and that is linked to the first seventh day of creation, which incidentally was holied and blessed by God Himself, and this seven day cycle has never changed from creation up to now. The Saturday is the Sabbath and it is still valid and in line with God's Commandments and still needs to be respected, if we love God. Paul has also said that the Commandments be held until Jesus comes again and John said that nothing of the Commandments may be changed.There are many quotes in the Bible that if we love God, we will keep the Commandments, all of them, and not nine out of ten.

Satan is the master deceiver. He does not want people to be saved, to be children of God. That is why he is using his agents to spread the lies or theories, to create doubt in mankind's mind. His first victim was Eve and he tried his deception with Jesus Christ but failed, and that all by twisting the Word of God. We need to be very aware of what is being said and to compare it to God's Word and to see whether it is twisted or not. Satan is doing this as he knows that he has no chance in heaven anymore, and that he is going to be destroyed by fire and brimstone. He is doing everything in his power to destroy mankind as they still have a chance to enter the gates of heaven. The only way for mankind to survive these attacks from Satan, is to love and obey God, and God has given us the guidelines, the Ten Commandments.

People are deceived if they believe that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities.  That is not the Christian faith.  They are one God from the time Jesus was born as God With Us Emmanuel.  He was God the Son in human flesh on earth.  

Satan will be overcome by the Blood of Christ and the word of our testimonies (as to our relationship with God). We can only testify to our experience in court.  

Satan is never overcome by how well we keep the 10 commandments.  As you said, they are guidelines, not the law that we must uphold to make it into heaven.  People are deceived if they believe we must keep the sabbath to keep from going to hell.  

Brother, I am deeply concerned that you have been misguided.  

Blessings,

Willa

I do not say that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities. God the Son, also the Word that was with God and then became flesh on this earth, is Jesus Christ. God gave His Son the instruction to come down to this earth to do the specific tasks. But to do that He, the Son of God or Jesus, had to give up His Godly status that He had, to become man. That left God the Father alone in heaven while Jesus was on this earth. If Jesus was God on this earth, He could not have died, as a God cannot die. Jesus had to become man to show the people around Him what can and cannot be done as man. He had to be on this earth to prove to mankind that God exists and that He has a lot of power. Jesus did not do the miracles Himself but it was God that worked through Him, Jesus Christ. He also had to show mankind who Satan was and his works and Jesus' job was to break the works of Satan. Jesus had to die on the cross as man, to take the whole world's sin on His shoulders, and not God, otherwise His death would be a bluff to mankind. He died on the cross and was buried like man and God raised Him from the dead. Jesus did not raise Himself. Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of God, still with the wound marks on His hands, feet and side. Satan now has therefore no proof that Jesus did not die on the cross as man, and that He was a God who could in fact not die, as Jesus can show the people the wounds at judgement day and thus proving Satan incorrect.

Please re-read the first article and look at the total picture that I gave and please do not misquote what I have said. Nowhere did I quote the word hell or that you must keep the Sabbath to keep from going to hell .

Jesus is God. When you quoted part of John 1 you stopped short a few words. It says the Word was with God and The Word WAS God. Also check out John 18: 5-7. It says several times I am he. The part I AM is Gods name. He basicly called Himself God. If you look into the text pretranslation its clear.

 

That is your opinion but is not logical. Please explain to me the following if you say Jesus is God. Did Jesus send Himself to earth? Was Father God man on this earth? Did Jesus(God) pray to Himself, did Jesus(God) baptize Himself with the Holy Spirit, did Jesus Jesus (God) heal people Himself with His own powers, did Jesus(God) die on the cross as I believe that God cannot die, did Jesus(God) raise Himself from the grave, did Jesus (God) take Himself to heaven, did Jesus(God) take a seat on His own right hand side? If you honestly cannot say yes to any of these questions, then I believe I am right in my belief. How many Gods are there in existance right now?

 

No, Jesus forgave sins, received worship, exercised personal power over death and nature and claimed to be eternal life and the giver of Eternal life.   Jesus was and is God.

 

How many Gods are there right now?