Which day is the Sabbath and is it still valid today?

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There are many arguments about which day is the Sabbath day and whether it is still valid or not today. Any opinions? I use the Bible KJV and only texts from the Bible must be provided please to prove your point.

The Sabbath day is from friday evening to saturday evening.   But Jesus is the true Sabbath.   When I got saved, I entered into His rest.  I don't need the sabbath day when I have Jesus.

So you also agree that the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening. I do not understand how you can say Jesus is the true Sabbath. The Sabbath is God's rest. How can Jesus be God's rest? Jesus is God's son. If we need to rest on the Sabbath like God, then we should rest on the Saturday, right?

Jesus is also God. He also was our Creator, with the Father and the Holy Spirit. They are one God.

Jesus rested from His work when He said "it is finished and died on the cross. He had obeyed our Father perfectly and He had kept all the commandments perfectly on our behalf.. He had paid for our sin on the cross and had put His righteousness on our account sheet. He had purchased us back from Satan with His blood. He also ratified the new covenant with His blood. The new covenant is all about what Jesus did for us, and not about anything we can do. By grace you have saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a GIFT of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 When we believe in Christ we trust Him and rely on Him.

When we turn from our sinful life to God for forgiveness, He gives us His own Spirit and His own life to live in us. We are born again.

He gives us new desires to want to live a life that brings Him praise. We are adopted into His family. No one has to keep the commandments to be saved. We want to keep them because we are already saved. God demonstrated His love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Most Christians celebrate resurrection Sunday, First Fruits in the Jewish calandar and Easter Sunday in ours, and make Sunday our day of worship and rest for that reason. But there is nothing wrong in keeping Saturday. Paul spoke frequently of speaking to the Jews on Saturday mornings and speaking to the gentiles saturday afternoon and evening after sunset till midnight. Saturday evening was considered the first day to the Jews. He spoke of taking up an offering for the poor on the first day of the week when they were gathered together.

I hope this helps to clear up your confusion.

Willa

WilIa, Thanks for your reply. I have read many of the articles that were posted on this site as was suggested by some members and there are many different views, some that makes sense and others very confusing. 

I believe the following. Jesus was God. He has given up His Godly status when He became man. He died as man and was resurrected as man and is now sitting on the right hand side of God as man, as the High Priest.There are now two separate entities. The Holy Spirit on this earth did not exist until Jesus was resurrected. God's powers worked through Jesus Christ when He was on earth, and He received it when He was baptized. Only the people that accept Jesus Christ in their lives, the born again, receives this same power from Jesus Christ to work on earth ie. the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the only way to God. Man cannot go direct to God by cutting Jesus out of the picture. I further believe that when you have accepted Jesus Christ in your life, He has written the law of God on your heart which means that you will want to live out the law that God has given to us as the law of God is the clear indication of what pure love is. Pure love to love God and to your neighbour. By not using His Name in vain, and not carving out statues and pray to them, and holding the Sabbath, your show your pure love to God, by not stealing, murdering, coveting etc, you show your pure love towards your neighbour. God was very specific with His Commandments, and He does not make mistakes, to show what this pure love is. If He thought that we could use any day to rest He would not have mentioned it in the Commandments, but He spesifically mentioned Sabbath, and that is linked to the first seventh day of creation, which incidentally was holied and blessed by God Himself, and this seven day cycle has never changed from creation up to now. The Saturday is the Sabbath and it is still valid and in line with God's Commandments and still needs to be respected, if we love God. Paul has also said that the Commandments be held until Jesus comes again and John said that nothing of the Commandments may be changed.There are many quotes in the Bible that if we love God, we will keep the Commandments, all of them, and not nine out of ten.

Satan is the master deceiver. He does not want people to be saved, to be children of God. That is why he is using his agents to spread the lies or theories, to create doubt in mankind's mind. His first victim was Eve and he tried his deception with Jesus Christ but failed, and that all by twisting the Word of God. We need to be very aware of what is being said and to compare it to God's Word and to see whether it is twisted or not. Satan is doing this as he knows that he has no chance in heaven anymore, and that he is going to be destroyed by fire and brimstone. He is doing everything in his power to destroy mankind as they still have a chance to enter the gates of heaven. The only way for mankind to survive these attacks from Satan, is to love and obey God, and God has given us the guidelines, the Ten Commandments.

People are deceived if they believe that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities.  That is not the Christian faith.  They are one God from the time Jesus was born as God With Us Emmanuel.  He was God the Son in human flesh on earth.  

Satan will be overcome by the Blood of Christ and the word of our testimonies (as to our relationship with God). We can only testify to our experience in court.  

Satan is never overcome by how well we keep the 10 commandments.  As you said, they are guidelines, not the law that we must uphold to make it into heaven.  People are deceived if they believe we must keep the sabbath to keep from going to hell.  

Brother, I am deeply concerned that you have been misguided.  

Blessings,

Willa

I do not say that God the Son and the risen ascended Christ are two different entities. God the Son, also the Word that was with God and then became flesh on this earth, is Jesus Christ. God gave His Son the instruction to come down to this earth to do the specific tasks. But to do that He, the Son of God or Jesus, had to give up His Godly status that He had, to become man. That left God the Father alone in heaven while Jesus was on this earth. If Jesus was God on this earth, He could not have died, as a God cannot die. Jesus had to become man to show the people around Him what can and cannot be done as man. He had to be on this earth to prove to mankind that God exists and that He has a lot of power. Jesus did not do the miracles Himself but it was God that worked through Him, Jesus Christ. He also had to show mankind who Satan was and his works and Jesus' job was to break the works of Satan. Jesus had to die on the cross as man, to take the whole world's sin on His shoulders, and not God, otherwise His death would be a bluff to mankind. He died on the cross and was buried like man and God raised Him from the dead. Jesus did not raise Himself. Jesus is now sitting on the right hand side of God, still with the wound marks on His hands, feet and side. Satan now has therefore no proof that Jesus did not die on the cross as man, and that He was a God who could in fact not die, as Jesus can show the people the wounds at judgement day and thus proving Satan incorrect.

Please re-read the first article and look at the total picture that I gave and please do not misquote what I have said. Nowhere did I quote the word hell or that you must keep the Sabbath to keep from going to hell .

Jesus is God. When you quoted part of John 1 you stopped short a few words. It says the Word was with God and The Word WAS God. Also check out John 18: 5-7. It says several times I am he. The part I AM is Gods name. He basicly called Himself God. If you look into the text pretranslation its clear.

 

I disagree with your statement that 'Jesus is God'. He was a God but gave His deity up when He became man. Why would the Bible quote that He was man if it wasn't the case? John 1 mentions The Word WAS God, past tense. It means that He is not God anymore which is correct with the fact that Jesus became man on this earth as that was God's plan for Him. Jesus was the first creation of God. Jesus did not create Himself but God did and that is why He is referred to as the Son of God and the Firstborn. God sent His Son to this earth. God gave Him the instructions and Jesus listened and did that out of love to God and mankind. There are many cases of proof of communication between God and Jesus Christ, two separate entities. If you want to view Jesus as God because God lived in Jesus, then we need to view mankind as Jesus as Jesus lives in mankind, the believers. Is mankind not the temple of Christ?

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The Sabbath that you are referring to is not the same as the one that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath in the Ten Commandments refers to the first seventh day of creation where God has blessed and holied that specific day and He thought it wise that it be included in the Ten Commandments. Paul commented on the Commandments that it be held until Jesus comes again and most of the disciples and Jesus confirmed that by holding the Commandments you are showing your love to God and your neighbour. If you therefore ignore the Sabbath Commandment or any Commandment for that matter, you show that you do not love God. Obviously this applies to people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I also do not say that if you do not hold the Sabbath, that you will go to hell.

 

 

 

 

Sorry tff, but that is false teaching.   Paul never commanded the Sabbath be held till Jesus comes.   That is also a misapplication of what Jesus said.   Jesus said that the entire law was summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.  

 

the argument that if you don't keep the Sabbath you don't love God is not in the New Testament.  The New Testament doesn't define our love for God in terms of observance of rituals or feast days.  Rather, our love for God is defined by our willingness to trust in Christ for salvation and live in obedience resulting from salvation, not from a need to keep a set of commandments.

 

Amen Shiloh.

 

tff, can you quote the scripture you are using to assert that Paul commands that the Sabbath be kept until Jesus returns?

 

I never quoted that the love to God is linked to the observance of rituals or feasts. To say that I am believing in false teaching is also not true.

I was initially informed that I should not ask for proof of texts on this site and here you are doing just that. But I will provide you with it to prove to you why I am saying what I am saying. 1 Tim 6:14. Please note that Paul referred to all the Commandments which obviously includes the Sabbath Commandment. As for the love link to the Commandments, there are many. Joh 14:21; Rom 13:8-10; Joh 14:15; Joh 15:9-10; 1 Joh 5:3; We know Jesus if we obey the Commandments, 1 Joh 2:3; The Commandments were there from the beginning 1 Joh 2:7; He that says that he knows Jesus and do not follow the Commandments are Liars 1 Joh 2:4; see what happens to those that ignores the Commandments Mat 5:19. I trust that you will have enough proof now to accept that the Sabbath is still valid and needs to be held. I am not taking a chance to ignore the Sabbath as I know that Satan would like me to do that. I will have to stand before God one day to please explain why I did what I did. Nobody will stand in for me at judgement day.

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I do not view Jesus as God because God lived in Jesus, but because Jesus Himself said He was God many times. And The Word of God does not lie. The bible says The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are One. Much like we have a body, spirit, and a soul(many define this as mind will and emotions but the greek word for it describes the mind) and we are one. We are made in His likeness and image. Even His name Emmanuel.... God is with us.

the Bible is very clear that Jesus is God.   The deity is central to the Christian faith.  There is no Christian faith if Jesus is not God.

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I do not view Jesus as God because God lived in Jesus, but because Jesus Himself said He was God many times. And The Word of God does not lie. The bible says The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost are One. Much like we have a body, spirit, and a soul(many define this as mind will and emotions but the greek word for it describes the mind) and we are one. We are made in His likeness and image. Even His name Emmanuel.... God is with us.

the Bible is very clear that Jesus is God. The deity is central to the Christian faith. There is no Christian faith if Jesus is not God.

thats what I was saying. i was responding to tff but didnt use quote because it was getting lengthy already.

edit: I fixed it. Sorry for any confusion.

 

Oh, okay, cool

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The Sabbath that you are referring to is not the same as the one that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath in the Ten Commandments refers to the first seventh day of creation where God has blessed and holied that specific day and He thought it wise that it be included in the Ten Commandments. Paul commented on the Commandments that it be held until Jesus comes again and most of the disciples and Jesus confirmed that by holding the Commandments you are showing your love to God and your neighbour. If you therefore ignore the Sabbath Commandment or any Commandment for that matter, you show that you do not love God. Obviously this applies to people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I also do not say that if you do not hold the Sabbath, that you will go to hell.

 

 

 

 

Sorry tff, but that is false teaching.   Paul never commanded the Sabbath be held till Jesus comes.   That is also a misapplication of what Jesus said.   Jesus said that the entire law was summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.  

 

the argument that if you don't keep the Sabbath you don't love God is not in the New Testament.  The New Testament doesn't define our love for God in terms of observance of rituals or feast days.  Rather, our love for God is defined by our willingness to trust in Christ for salvation and live in obedience resulting from salvation, not from a need to keep a set of commandments.

 

You are right about if you don't keep the sabbath, you don't love God is not found in new testament. But Yeshua says In Matt 5:19....if you keep the least of the commandment and teach them do the same also, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of God...like you keep a few and you don't keep others also, you tell people do the same also.....the scripture speaks for it selfs but you keep them and teach them do so the same also, you will be called the great in Kingdom of God.

 

So you would you rather be called the great in Kingdom of God because you follow the commandments of God and tell people do the same also or would you rather be called the least in the Kingdom of God because you keep some parts of the commandments of God and tell people to do the same also?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

The Sabbath that you are referring to is not the same as the one that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath in the Ten Commandments refers to the first seventh day of creation where God has blessed and holied that specific day and He thought it wise that it be included in the Ten Commandments. Paul commented on the Commandments that it be held until Jesus comes again and most of the disciples and Jesus confirmed that by holding the Commandments you are showing your love to God and your neighbour. If you therefore ignore the Sabbath Commandment or any Commandment for that matter, you show that you do not love God. Obviously this applies to people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I also do not say that if you do not hold the Sabbath, that you will go to hell.

 

 

 

 

Sorry tff, but that is false teaching.   Paul never commanded the Sabbath be held till Jesus comes.   That is also a misapplication of what Jesus said.   Jesus said that the entire law was summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.  

 

the argument that if you don't keep the Sabbath you don't love God is not in the New Testament.  The New Testament doesn't define our love for God in terms of observance of rituals or feast days.  Rather, our love for God is defined by our willingness to trust in Christ for salvation and live in obedience resulting from salvation, not from a need to keep a set of commandments.

 

You are right about if you don't keep the sabbath, you don't love God is not found in new testament. But Yeshua says In Matt 5:19....if you keep the least of the commandment and teach them do the same also, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of God...like you keep a few and you don't keep others also, you tell people do the same also.....the scripture speaks for it selfs but you keep them and teach them do so the same also, you will be called the great in Kingdom of God.

 

So you would you rather be called the great in Kingdom of God because you follow the commandments of God and tell people do the same also or would you rather be called the least in the Kingdom of God because you keep some parts of the commandments of God and tell people to do the same also?

 

You are completely missing the point behind what Jesus was saying.

 

The thesis of the sermon on the mount (Matt. 5-7) was where Jesus said "unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and pharisees you will not in any wise enter the Kingdom of God." (5:20).     It was the Scribes and Pharisees that were leading people away from Torah observance.

 

The Sabbath doesn't belong to the church.   The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel.  Israel and the Church are two separate entities.   The Sabbath was never given to the Church. 

[shinethelight14]

 

 

 

 

 

The Sabbath that you are referring to is not the same as the one that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath in the Ten Commandments refers to the first seventh day of creation where God has blessed and holied that specific day and He thought it wise that it be included in the Ten Commandments. Paul commented on the Commandments that it be held until Jesus comes again and most of the disciples and Jesus confirmed that by holding the Commandments you are showing your love to God and your neighbour. If you therefore ignore the Sabbath Commandment or any Commandment for that matter, you show that you do not love God. Obviously this applies to people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I also do not say that if you do not hold the Sabbath, that you will go to hell.

 

 

 

 

Sorry tff, but that is false teaching.   Paul never commanded the Sabbath be held till Jesus comes.   That is also a misapplication of what Jesus said.   Jesus said that the entire law was summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.  

 

the argument that if you don't keep the Sabbath you don't love God is not in the New Testament.  The New Testament doesn't define our love for God in terms of observance of rituals or feast days.  Rather, our love for God is defined by our willingness to trust in Christ for salvation and live in obedience resulting from salvation, not from a need to keep a set of commandments.

 

You are right about if you don't keep the sabbath, you don't love God is not found in new testament. But Yeshua says In Matt 5:19....if you keep the least of the commandment and teach them do the same also, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of God...like you keep a few and you don't keep others also, you tell people do the same also.....the scripture speaks for it selfs but you keep them and teach them do so the same also, you will be called the great in Kingdom of God.

 

So you would you rather be called the great in Kingdom of God because you follow the commandments of God and tell people do the same also or would you rather be called the least in the Kingdom of God because you keep some parts of the commandments of God and tell people to do the same also?

 

You are completely missing the point behind what Jesus was saying.

 

The thesis of the sermon on the mount (Matt. 5-7) was where Jesus said "unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and pharisees you will not in any wise enter the Kingdom of God." (5:20).     It was the Scribes and Pharisees that were leading people away from Torah observance.

 

The Sabbath doesn't belong to the church.   The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel.  Israel and the Church are two separate entities.   The Sabbath was never given to the Church. 

 

How am I missing the point what Yeshua said when the scripture clearly speaks for it self? Come on be more logic here

[coheir]

I do not see the Sabbath mentioned in NT

 

Matthew 22

36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and great commandment. 

39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Eph 6:2

Honor thy father and mother  

Matt 19: 18

He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,    

Matt 19: 19

Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.                    

Mark 10: 19

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Luke 10: 27

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Luke 10: 28

he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

John 13: 34

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.  

John 14: 15

If ye love me, keep my commandments. 

John 15: 10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 15: 12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15: 13

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 15: 14

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15: 17

These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Romans 10:10

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

John 3:7

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

 

Hebrews 10:16

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Romans 3:31

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

1 Thessalonians 4:9

 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Romans 13:8, 9, 10

8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9  For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10  Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Colos 2: 16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Mark 1: 27

And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? What new doctrine is this? For with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Sabbath that you are referring to is not the same as the one that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath in the Ten Commandments refers to the first seventh day of creation where God has blessed and holied that specific day and He thought it wise that it be included in the Ten Commandments. Paul commented on the Commandments that it be held until Jesus comes again and most of the disciples and Jesus confirmed that by holding the Commandments you are showing your love to God and your neighbour. If you therefore ignore the Sabbath Commandment or any Commandment for that matter, you show that you do not love God. Obviously this applies to people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I also do not say that if you do not hold the Sabbath, that you will go to hell.

 

 

 

 

Sorry tff, but that is false teaching.   Paul never commanded the Sabbath be held till Jesus comes.   That is also a misapplication of what Jesus said.   Jesus said that the entire law was summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.  

 

the argument that if you don't keep the Sabbath you don't love God is not in the New Testament.  The New Testament doesn't define our love for God in terms of observance of rituals or feast days.  Rather, our love for God is defined by our willingness to trust in Christ for salvation and live in obedience resulting from salvation, not from a need to keep a set of commandments.

 

You are right about if you don't keep the sabbath, you don't love God is not found in new testament. But Yeshua says In Matt 5:19....if you keep the least of the commandment and teach them do the same also, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of God...like you keep a few and you don't keep others also, you tell people do the same also.....the scripture speaks for it selfs but you keep them and teach them do so the same also, you will be called the great in Kingdom of God.

 

So you would you rather be called the great in Kingdom of God because you follow the commandments of God and tell people do the same also or would you rather be called the least in the Kingdom of God because you keep some parts of the commandments of God and tell people to do the same also?

 

You are completely missing the point behind what Jesus was saying.

 

The thesis of the sermon on the mount (Matt. 5-7) was where Jesus said "unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and pharisees you will not in any wise enter the Kingdom of God." (5:20).     It was the Scribes and Pharisees that were leading people away from Torah observance.

 

The Sabbath doesn't belong to the church.   The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel.  Israel and the Church are two separate entities.   The Sabbath was never given to the Church. 

 

How am I missing the point what Yeshua said when the scripture clearly speaks for it self? Come on be more logic here

 

Jesus was speaking of the Pharisees and the way they led people away from Torah observance.    The commandment to keep the Sabbath was not given to the Church, so we are not leading any one away from keeping God's commandments.  We keep those commandments that apply to the church.  The Sabbath is not one of them.

[Willa]

There are many arguments about which day is the Sabbath day and whether it is still valid or not today. Any opinions? I use the Bible KJV and only texts from the Bible must be provided please to prove your point.

Tff, please forgive me for misquoting you. You said that we can be deceived by satan if we do not keep the 10 commandments, especially the Sabbath. I disagree with this, but we do need to walk in obedience to His Spirit, and His voice always agrees with Scripture.

When we are born again we receive the commandments written on our hearts. It is our desire to please God, and He has shown us some examples how to do this in the 10 commandments. Romans 8 also tells us how to do this by setting our minds on Christ and walking in the Spirit.

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment..

It still concerns me that you do not believe that Jesus on earth was no longer God while in human flesh. You say that He was only a man. Christians believe that He was fully and perfectly both God and man. Perhaps after you become more familiar with all of the Bible, you will also come to understand this.

Matt. 14:33 Then those who were in the boat came and WORSHIPPED Him, saying "Truly You are the Son of God".

Matthew 2:11 And when they hd come into the house, they saw the young cchild with Mary His mother, and fell down and WORSHIPPED Him.

Jesus allowed people to worship Him while he was a man on earth, showing that He was God while on earth as both God and Man.

In the book of John, every time He claimed to be God the Jews would try to stone Him to death.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Then they took up stones to throw at Him;

EX 3:14 And God said to Moses, " I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.".

I AM is the name that God called Himself to Moses, and it is the name the Jesus called Himself while one earth as God-Man.

John 10:30 I and my Father are One. 31. Then the Jews took up stones to stone Him.. 33.. For good works we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.

The Jews understood and Jesus was telling them He was God in human flesh.

Matthew 1:23 Behhold, the virgin whall be with child, and bear a Son and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Philippeans 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation (stripped Himself), taking the FORM (shape of guise) of a bondservent, and coming in the LIKENESS of men.

8. And being found in the APPEARANCE as a man---

Notice that none of these verses say that God's Son, the Word, ever gave up being God. He left His home with Father God to take on the shape and form, the guise of a man, but He never ceased to be God. He left His position and status to become very lowly. He was somewhat limited because He became fully man. But He never ceased to be fully God.

Blessings,

Willa