Pastor claims bible says guns are ok

[Guest LadyC]

 

 

 

one last thing. is it just a gun thing? or are you also opposed to someone using their physical body to protect an innocent? for example, if a pedophile was caught assaulting a child, would you have the same problem with the christian who slammed him up against a wall to get him off the child?

I don't like guns at all, so I won't even pretend I do. as for the rest, well....I just don't know. The bible says whatever is not of Faith is sin, so I guess it would depend on the heart of the christian( which only God can Judge the Heart). Guns however have 1 purpose, they were created for one purpose....to maim, to kill and to destroy, and that is not how we are instructed to live. No LadyC I don't like Guns.

 

Interesting, again how does this apply to law enforcement and military?

God bless,

GE

 

Law enforcement and the military live and are guided by worldly standards. We on the other hand are suppose to be guided by God and by Peace. Their is suppose to be a difference in how we deal and handle things compared to the rest of the world. I don't expect the worldly police or military to live according to biblical standards. Besides I've had bad experiences with cops, and don't hold them in real high regard. IMO most cops I have ever had to deal with have had a God complex and think their justified no matter what they do.

 

 

so david lived and was guided by worldly standards?

 

hmmmm.... that contradicts what God says.

[firestormx]

 

 

 

 

one last thing. is it just a gun thing? or are you also opposed to someone using their physical body to protect an innocent? for example, if a pedophile was caught assaulting a child, would you have the same problem with the christian who slammed him up against a wall to get him off the child?

I don't like guns at all, so I won't even pretend I do. as for the rest, well....I just don't know. The bible says whatever is not of Faith is sin, so I guess it would depend on the heart of the christian( which only God can Judge the Heart). Guns however have 1 purpose, they were created for one purpose....to maim, to kill and to destroy, and that is not how we are instructed to live. No LadyC I don't like Guns.

 

Interesting, again how does this apply to law enforcement and military?

God bless,

GE

 

Law enforcement and the military live and are guided by worldly standards. We on the other hand are suppose to be guided by God and by Peace. Their is suppose to be a difference in how we deal and handle things compared to the rest of the world. I don't expect the worldly police or military to live according to biblical standards. Besides I've had bad experiences with cops, and don't hold them in real high regard. IMO most cops I have ever had to deal with have had a God complex and think their justified no matter what they do.

 

 

so david lived and was guided by worldly standards?

 

hmmmm.... that contradicts what God says.

 

I didn't say david now did I. this is why I stopped posting in this thread, no matter what I say it will INTENTIONALLY be perverted to something I didn't mean.

[Fez]

 

 

 

 

 

one last thing. is it just a gun thing? or are you also opposed to someone using their physical body to protect an innocent? for example, if a pedophile was caught assaulting a child, would you have the same problem with the christian who slammed him up against a wall to get him off the child?

I don't like guns at all, so I won't even pretend I do. as for the rest, well....I just don't know. The bible says whatever is not of Faith is sin, so I guess it would depend on the heart of the christian( which only God can Judge the Heart). Guns however have 1 purpose, they were created for one purpose....to maim, to kill and to destroy, and that is not how we are instructed to live. No LadyC I don't like Guns.

 

Interesting, again how does this apply to law enforcement and military?

God bless,

GE

 

Law enforcement and the military live and are guided by worldly standards. We on the other hand are suppose to be guided by God and by Peace. Their is suppose to be a difference in how we deal and handle things compared to the rest of the world. I don't expect the worldly police or military to live according to biblical standards. Besides I've had bad experiences with cops, and don't hold them in real high regard. IMO most cops I have ever had to deal with have had a God complex and think their justified no matter what they do.

 

 

so david lived and was guided by worldly standards?

 

hmmmm.... that contradicts what God says.

 

I didn't say david now did I. this is why I stopped posting in this thread, no matter what I say it will INTENTIONALLY be perverted to something I didn't mean.

 

When did you stop posting on this thread? 

[Guest LadyC]

 

 

 

 

 

one last thing. is it just a gun thing? or are you also opposed to someone using their physical body to protect an innocent? for example, if a pedophile was caught assaulting a child, would you have the same problem with the christian who slammed him up against a wall to get him off the child?

I don't like guns at all, so I won't even pretend I do. as for the rest, well....I just don't know. The bible says whatever is not of Faith is sin, so I guess it would depend on the heart of the christian( which only God can Judge the Heart). Guns however have 1 purpose, they were created for one purpose....to maim, to kill and to destroy, and that is not how we are instructed to live. No LadyC I don't like Guns.

 

Interesting, again how does this apply to law enforcement and military?

God bless,

GE

 

Law enforcement and the military live and are guided by worldly standards. We on the other hand are suppose to be guided by God and by Peace. Their is suppose to be a difference in how we deal and handle things compared to the rest of the world. I don't expect the worldly police or military to live according to biblical standards. Besides I've had bad experiences with cops, and don't hold them in real high regard. IMO most cops I have ever had to deal with have had a God complex and think their justified no matter what they do.

 

 

so david lived and was guided by worldly standards?

 

hmmmm.... that contradicts what God says.

 

I didn't say david now did I. this is why I stopped posting in this thread, no matter what I say it will INTENTIONALLY be perverted to something I didn't mean.

 

you said law enforcement and the military lived by worldly standards, and on the other hand WE are supposed to be guided by God and peace.

 

david was military.

 

i didn't pervert anything you said, intentionally or otherwise. you need to think more carefully before you say something you might not really mean.

[firestormx]

 

 

 

 

 

 

one last thing. is it just a gun thing? or are you also opposed to someone using their physical body to protect an innocent? for example, if a pedophile was caught assaulting a child, would you have the same problem with the christian who slammed him up against a wall to get him off the child?

I don't like guns at all, so I won't even pretend I do. as for the rest, well....I just don't know. The bible says whatever is not of Faith is sin, so I guess it would depend on the heart of the christian( which only God can Judge the Heart). Guns however have 1 purpose, they were created for one purpose....to maim, to kill and to destroy, and that is not how we are instructed to live. No LadyC I don't like Guns.

 

Interesting, again how does this apply to law enforcement and military?

God bless,

GE

 

Law enforcement and the military live and are guided by worldly standards. We on the other hand are suppose to be guided by God and by Peace. Their is suppose to be a difference in how we deal and handle things compared to the rest of the world. I don't expect the worldly police or military to live according to biblical standards. Besides I've had bad experiences with cops, and don't hold them in real high regard. IMO most cops I have ever had to deal with have had a God complex and think their justified no matter what they do.

 

 

so david lived and was guided by worldly standards?

 

hmmmm.... that contradicts what God says.

 

I didn't say david now did I. this is why I stopped posting in this thread, no matter what I say it will INTENTIONALLY be perverted to something I didn't mean.

 

you said law enforcement and the military lived by worldly standards, and on the other hand WE are supposed to be guided by God and peace.

 

david was military.

 

i didn't pervert anything you said, intentionally or otherwise. you need to think more carefully before you say something you might not really mean.

 

David was the leader of God's people, acting at God's direction and that is something else entirely, and you know that.  Today's military and law enforcement does not do things according to what God says but according to worldly law and worldly standards.

[firestormx]

 

 

 

 

 

 

one last thing. is it just a gun thing? or are you also opposed to someone using their physical body to protect an innocent? for example, if a pedophile was caught assaulting a child, would you have the same problem with the christian who slammed him up against a wall to get him off the child?

I don't like guns at all, so I won't even pretend I do. as for the rest, well....I just don't know. The bible says whatever is not of Faith is sin, so I guess it would depend on the heart of the christian( which only God can Judge the Heart). Guns however have 1 purpose, they were created for one purpose....to maim, to kill and to destroy, and that is not how we are instructed to live. No LadyC I don't like Guns.

 

Interesting, again how does this apply to law enforcement and military?

God bless,

GE

 

Law enforcement and the military live and are guided by worldly standards. We on the other hand are suppose to be guided by God and by Peace. Their is suppose to be a difference in how we deal and handle things compared to the rest of the world. I don't expect the worldly police or military to live according to biblical standards. Besides I've had bad experiences with cops, and don't hold them in real high regard. IMO most cops I have ever had to deal with have had a God complex and think their justified no matter what they do.

 

 

so david lived and was guided by worldly standards?

 

hmmmm.... that contradicts what God says.

 

I didn't say david now did I. this is why I stopped posting in this thread, no matter what I say it will INTENTIONALLY be perverted to something I didn't mean.

 

When did you stop posting on this thread? 

 

9/5/2014

[Guest LadyC]

i think you're backpedaling. David was the king that God put in place. He led the people into battle and used the sword thousands of times. Remember, saul killed hundreds, david killed thousands? and that was before he was even king. 

 

God is the same God today that He has always been.  it doesn't matter whether the military or law enforcement follow everything God says or not, He is the one who gives them the authority to act, even when we don't like those actions. Even obama was put in office to further God's plan.

 

and you should know that. 

 

sorry, but like it or not, you can not disassociate what you said with david. or with the many other warriors that God commanded to kill in order to preserve His people. and He still uses people today to further His will.

[Guest LadyC]

by the way, i believe God has called some of us to be pacifists. you can own that without passing judgment on those whom He has called to other roles, ya know.

[firestormx]

i think you're backpedaling. David was the king that God put in place. He led the people into battle and used the sword thousands of times. Remember, saul killed hundreds, david killed thousands? and that was before he was even king. 

 

God is the same God today that He has always been.  it doesn't matter whether the military or law enforcement follow everything God says or not, He is the one who gives them the authority to act, even when we don't like those actions. Even obama was put in office to further God's plan.

 

and you should know that. 

 

sorry, but like it or not, you can not disassociate what you said with david. or with the many other warriors that God commanded to kill in order to preserve His people. and He still uses people today to further His will.

The fact that you and so many others, do not understand my problem with the taking of a human life for any reason says more than any words you could ever say.

 

 

Do not envy a violent man or choose any of his ways

[Guest LadyC]

i'm not violent, and i totally understand your problem with the taking of human life. i hope i'm never in such a position. 

 

but i can not even begin to fathom how someone can say with certainty that they would absolutely refuse to protect the loved ones that God has placed in your care if someone were trying to harm, them.

 

i would not choose that way. i would do whatever i could to protect those that God had charged me with, and i pray that He would give me the strength and courage to do whatever is necessary. and between now and then, i'll continue to pray that He'll never put me in that situation.

 

you really need to give up that lofty perch you're sitting on and quit passing judgment that God has not authorized you to pass.

 

oh, and be sure you don't choose the way of David. after all, he was what you would consider a violent man.