Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

[gerhard eber]

That's the steel structure. Now you can begin building in the walls and install the windows and doors. First the names of the three days, 

3 p.m. Day 1 died "the Preparation of the Passover" "at the ninth hour" Mark 14:34(-41) Matthew 27:46(-56) Luke 23:44B(-49) John 19:30; 

3 p.m. Day 2 buried "the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath ... That Day great day-of-sabbath-of-(passover)" "by the time the Jews' preparations began" John 19:42 "mid-afternoon" Luke 23:54;

3 p.m. Day 3 rose from the dead "day after the Preparation", "the third day", "IN FULLNESS OF THE SABBATH IN THE VERY MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT OVERHEAD INCLINING TOWARDS the First Day of the week" Matthew 28:1(-4)

I would call them the windows through which I from outside could see in.

Edited August 14, 2018 by gerhard eber

[gerhard eber]

Next the doors, the entrances and the exit doors, 

3 p.m. Day 1 died "the Preparation of the Passover" Entrance "evening"; Exit "everybody fled home" "at the ninth hour" Mark 14:34(-41) Matthew 27:46(-56) Luke 23:44B(-49) John 19:30; 

3 p.m. Day 2 buried "the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath ... That Day great day-of-sabbath-of-(passover)" Entrance "evening"; Exit "by the time the Jews' preparations began" John 19:42 "mid-afternoon" Luke 23:54;

3 p.m. Day 3 rose from the dead "day after the Preparation", "the third day", Entrance "the women began to rest the Sabbath"; Exit "IN FULLNESS OF THE SABBATH IN THE VERY MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT OVERHEAD INCLINING TOWARDS the First Day of the week" Matthew 28:1(-4)

Assignment, Fill in the Scripture references where there aren't any after the red words.

Edited August 14, 2018 by gerhard eber

[Retrobyter]

On 8/13/2018 at 2:47 PM, ShinyGospelShoes said:

Alan Hales is correct in that statement.  Again, please refrain from such harsh terms.

Jesus was still alive on 'the fifth [day] of the week' (*) call 'Thursday', and so likewise for the following day, the 'sixth [day] of the week'(*) call 'Friday', until about 3pm (the 'going down' or 'declination' of the sun; at the time of the evening sacrifice), which is when Jesus died, having been crucified at the time of morning sacrifice, and thus was for 6 hours there until death.

Mark 15:42, demonstrates the 'preparation' day (Exodus 16:5, etc), the 'day before the sabbath', which is the sixth day of the week, aka 'friday'.  It was in that very same day that the women purchased what they need in 'spices', as Joseph of Arimathaea had done for 'linen'; Mark 15:46.

Matthew 27:57 is the parallel to Mark 15:42, and it's time frame, speaking of the day of 'preparation', and afterwards was the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, for notice, Matthew 27:62, "the next day, that followed the day of the preparation".

John 13:1, is dealing with 'thursday night', which is actually the 6th day of the week in Bible time, and is the 'evening' portion thereof.  Jesus was taken sometime around midnight, the hour of the power of darkness, see John 18:1-11; Luke 22:53.  Jesus was in captivity all night until the crowing of the rooster, and taken to Pilate, John 18:27-29, this being early 'friday' morning, still the sixth day of the week.  After many events that same day, Jesus is taken and crucified, John 19:16-30.  Jesus dies that very day.  Jesus is buried that very day.  Jesus remains in the tomb all the 7th day the sabbath, resting, from His "finished" work on the 6th day, just as God rested at Creation, being "finished" the 6th day also, entering into His rest, the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD; Genesis 2:1-3.  Then following that, Jesus arose sometime before sunrise, on the first day of the week, aka 'Sunday', John 20:1, etc.

Luke 23:50 is the same timeframe as Matthew 27:57, and Mark 15:42 and their contexts.  It is the sixth day of the week, being the 'preparation' to the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, in His commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, for notice, Luke 23:54-56.

Luke 23:53  And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

Luke 23:54  And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

Luke 23:55  And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

Luke 23:56  And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

(* which we basically call, though not technically, one is Bible time (even to even) and the other Roman (midnight to midnight))

Shalom, ShinyGospelShoes.

You said, "Jesus was still alive on 'the fifth [day] of the week' (*) call 'Thursday', and so likewise for the following day, the 'sixth [day] of the week'(*) call 'Friday', until about 3pm (the 'going down' or 'declination' of the sun; at the time of the evening sacrifice), which is when Jesus died, having been crucified at the time of morning sacrifice, and thus was for 6 hours there until death."

Remove the orange portion and you'll have it correct. You and Alan keep forgetting (ignoring) that there was a HIGH Shabbat that week! The Passover itself is ALSO a "Shabbat!" You both need to re-number your days accordingly and start to "think JEWISHLY!" If you continue to think like a Gentile, you will continue to get this issue wrong. Sorry, but that's the way it truly is in Scripture.

The Scriptures, both the Tanakh (the OT) and the B'rit Chadashah (the NT) were written by children of Israel to children of Israel about children of Israel. Until you realize that truth, you will continue to be mystified by the simple truths of Scripture.

May the LORD (YHWH) richly bless you as you choose to learn FROM the Scriptures.

[gerhard eber]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, ShinyGospelShoes.

You said, "Jesus was still alive on 'the fifth [day] of the week' (*) call 'Thursday', and so likewise for the following day, the 'sixth [day] of the week'(*) call 'Friday', until about 3pm (the 'going down' or 'declination' of the sun; at the time of the evening sacrifice), which is when Jesus died, having been crucified at the time of morning sacrifice, and thus was for 6 hours there until death."

Remove the orange portion and you'll have it correct. You and Alan keep forgetting (ignoring) that there was a HIGH Shabbat that week! The Passover itself is ALSO a "Shabbat!" You both need to re-number your days accordingly and start to "think JEWISHLY!" If you continue to think like a Gentile, you will continue to get this issue wrong. Sorry, but that's the way it truly is in Scripture.

The Scriptures, both the Tanakh (the OT) and the B'rit Chadashah (the NT) were written by children of Israel to children of Israel about children of Israel. Until you realize that truth, you will continue to be mystified by the simple truths of Scripture.

May the LORD (YHWH) richly bless you as you choose to learn FROM the Scriptures.

Dear Retrobyter, Do you therefore believe a Thursday Crucifixion? Yes you do if I recall correctly other posts of yours. As I remember every time you skip the DIVIDING event of "EVENING HAVING COME", between Crucifixion and Burial BEFORE even Joseph "since That Day great-day-of-sabbath-of-(passover) being The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath having begun", got a chance to ask for Jesus' body "in order to bury Him according to the Jews' Ethical Law TO BURY" the Torah in Exodus 12:8,10 further and Leviticus 23:6,11A and context?!

This is the most important question of your LIFE in all sincerity and truth put to you, Retrobyter, in Jesus' Name!

Edited August 15, 2018 by gerhard eber

[Alan Hales]

15 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

3 p.m. Day 1 died "at the ninth hour" Mark 14:34(-41) Matthew 27:46(-56) Luke 23:44B(-49) John 19:30; 

3 p.m. Day 2 buried "by the time the Jews' preparations began" John 19:42 "mid-afternoon" Luke 23:54;

3 p.m. Day 3 rose from the dead "IN FULLNESS OF THE SABBATH IN THE VERY MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT OVERHEAD INCLINING TOWARDS the First Day of the week" Matthew 28:1(-4)

Matt 28: 1 says, "In the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn", [The morning]. Mk 16: 9. "Jesus was risen early on the first day of the week.

Lk 24: 1. "Now upon the first day of the week, Very early in the morning" Jesus rose early on Sunday morning, NOT  the afternoon. You use a erroneous Bible translation.

You have overlooked the fact that Jesus kept God's Passover  and the Jews went by the moon, which at that time was a day later than God's Passover. 

You can only get the "Third day", from Friday to Sunday.

[Alan Hales]

3 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

Dear Retrobyter, Do you therefore believe a Thursday Crucifixion? Yes you do if I recall correctly other posts of yours. As I remember every time you skip the DIVIDING event of "EVENING HAVING COME", between Crucifixion and Burial BEFORE even Joseph "since That Day great-day-of-sabbath-of-(passover) being The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath having begun", got a chance to ask for Jesus' body "in order to bury Him according to the Jews' Ethical Law TO BURY" the Torah in Exodus 12:8,10 further and Leviticus 23:6,11A and context?!

This is the most important question of your LIFE in all sincerity and truth put to you, Retrobyter, in Jesus' Name!

I said the Bible says  Jesus was still alive on FRIDAY, until 3pm.  You don't know that Jesus kept God's Passover, and therefore the Sunday that time of year, was a High Sabbath,  Being the Passover. The only day that you can get the "Third day" from, till Sunday, Is a Friday.

Friday, 1 day, Saturday, 2 days, Sunday, The Third day. Neither a Wednesday or a Thursday doesn't add up, Because Jesus didn't rise on the Friday or a Saturday.

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, gerhard eber said:

Dear Retrobyter, Do you therefore believe a Thursday Crucifixion? Yes you do if I recall correctly other posts of yours. As I remember every time you skip the DIVIDING event of "EVENING HAVING COME", between Crucifixion and Burial BEFORE even Joseph "since That Day great-day-of-sabbath-of-(passover) being The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath having begun", got a chance to ask for Jesus' body "in order to bury Him according to the Jews' Ethical Law TO BURY" the Torah in Exodus 12:8,10 further and Leviticus 23:6,11A and context?!

This is the most important question of your LIFE in all sincerity and truth put to you, Retrobyter, in Jesus' Name!

Shalom, gerhard eber.

Of course I do! It's the only day that DOES make sense, based on the timing according to Hebrew timekeeping, that is, that the day cycle begins in the evening at sunset. It may not be in the Bible, but according to the People of the Book, they count that moment with the sighting of the first three stars. Watching the movement of the stars and planets in the night sky was an occupation that has been around for thousands of years, particularly among the children of Israel. In fact, it was the occupation that passed early to the children. They had the best eyesight, and it taught them patience and diligence. A simple blast on a shofar, when appropriate, was sounded to welcome the new day and signal its beginning.

It was necessary for Yeshua`s body to be IN the grave BEFORE sunset, the start of the new day, the start of the high Shabbat, the start of Pesach or "Passover." That's why Yosef begged Pilate for Yeshua`s body, seeing that He had already died! Pilate was surprised to hear that Yeshua` had already died, and confirmed this with his messenger; then he granted Yosef that task.

[gerhard eber]

12 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

Matt 28: 1 says, "In the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn", [The morning]. Mk 16: 9. "Jesus was risen early on the first day of the week.

Lk 24: 1. "Now upon the first day of the week, Very early in the morning" Jesus rose early on Sunday morning, NOT  the afternoon. You use a erroneous Bible translation.

You have overlooked the fact that Jesus kept God's Passover  and the Jews went by the moon, which at that time was a day later than God's Passover. 

You can only get the "Third day", from Friday to Sunday.

Re: '~Matt 28: 1 says, "In the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn", [The morning].~'

'~morning~' for the last hundred years, maybe; "end" "mid-afternoon" for the four hundred years before the last hundred years.

A.T. Robertson Word Pictures

Now late on the sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (opse de sabbatwn, th epipwskoush ei mian sabbatwn). This careful chronological statement according to Jewish days clearly means that before the sabbath was over, that is before six P.M., this visit by the women was made "to see the sepulchre" (qeorhsai ton tapon). They had seen the place of burial on Friday afternoon ( Mark 15:47 ; Matthew 27:61 ; Luke 23:55 ). They had rested on the sabbath after preparing spices and ointments for the body of Jesus ( Luke 23:56 ), a sabbath of unutterable sorrow and woe. They will buy other spices after sundown when the new day has dawned and the sabbath is over ( Mark 16:1 ). Both Matthew here and Luke ( Luke 23:54 ) use dawn (epipwskw) for the dawning of the twenty-four hour-day at sunset, not of the dawning of the twelve-hour day at sunrise. The Aramaic used the verb for dawn in both senses. The so-called Gospel of Peter has epipwskw in the same sense as Matthew and Luke as does a late papyrus. Apparently the Jewish sense of "dawn" is here expressed by this Greek verb. Allen thinks that Matthew misunderstands Mark at this point, but clearly Mark is speaking of sunrise and Matthew of sunset. Why allow only one visit for the anxious women?

"IN FULLNESS OF THE SABBATH IN THE VERY MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT OVERHEAD INCLINING TOWARDS the First Day of the week"

Re: '~Mk 16: 9. "Jesus was risen early on the first day of the week.~'

Yes, risen; "Jesus was risen early on the first day of the week when He appeared to Mary Magdalene first."

[gerhard eber]

12 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

You can only get the "Third day", from Friday to Sunday.

That's absolutely so. Never contested the logic.

[gerhard eber]

12 hours ago, Alan Hales said:

Lk 24: 1. "Now upon the first day of the week, Very early in the morning" Jesus rose early on Sunday morning, NOT  the afternoon. You use a erroneous Bible translation.

You, dear Alan Hales, use an erroneous Bible text for Jesus' Resurrection.