Sola Scriptura

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

No I do not hold to sola Scriptura because Jesus established a Church first. Jesus commissioned the apostles to go out and preach. It was 20+ years before things started to be written down and approx 70 yrs before the last book was written.

So I believe that if sola Scriptura was the way than it would have been so from the start. Since I am a bit ignorant on the subject of scripture alone I wanted to see what others thought on the subject.

I believe all the same things regarding the importance of scripture. I just don't subscribe to the alone part. I believe that the Church carries authority as well. NOT more authority but does carry authority. The Church can not contradict scripture. I believe in the authority of Scripture AND the Church. Christ gave us the Church first than Scripture so in my opinion they are both authoritve.

Those are just my thoughts on the topic.

[Guest shiloh357]

No I do not hold to sola Scriptura because Jesus established a Church first. Jesus commissioned the apostles to go out and preach. It was 20+ years before things started to be written down and approx 70 yrs before the last book was written.  So I believe that if sola Scriptura was the way than it would have been so from the start. Since I am a bit ignorant on the subject of scripture alone I wanted to see what others thought on the subject.

 

That is not an argument against Sola Scriptura.   That epistles were written after the day of Pentecost in no way addresses the issue of Sola Scriptura.   Your leap in logic is tenuous and unwarranted.   The Bible as our sole source of authority is based on its own integrity as the God's Word not on when the books were written relative to the origin of the Church.

 

I believe all the same things regarding the importance of scripture. I just don't subscribe to the alone part. I believe that the Church carries authority as well. NOT more authority but does carry authority. The Church can not contradict scripture. I believe in the authority of Scripture AND the Church. Christ gave us the Church first than Scripture so in my opinion they are both authoritve.

Those are just my thoughts on the topic.

 

What kind of "authority" do you believe is granted to the Church?

[Guest]

The Words

 

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

 

Of Salvation

 

Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

 

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

 

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

 

Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

 

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. John 6:31-35

 

It's What's For Dinner

 

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

 

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I also believe that the bible is the infallibly inspired word of God.

 

 

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

 

Amen~!

 

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21:33

 

Amen~!

 

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

 

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. 1 Peter 1:23-25

 

And Amen~!

 

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

 

It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

 

As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:

 

for there the LORD commanded the blessing,

 

even life for evermore. Psalms 133

 

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Brother, It Is A Joy To Fellowship

 

One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to inquire in his temple. Psalms 27:4

 

Over The Love Of God With You

 

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

 

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

 

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:37-39

 

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Post Early Post Often

 

As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country. Proverbs 25:25

 

And Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

 

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

No I do not hold to sola Scriptura because Jesus established a Church first. Jesus commissioned the apostles to go out and preach. It was 20+ years before things started to be written down and approx 70 yrs before the last book was written. So I believe that if sola Scriptura was the way than it would have been so from the start. Since I am a bit ignorant on the subject of scripture alone I wanted to see what others thought on the subject.

That is not an argument against Sola Scriptura. That epistles were written after the day of Pentecost in no way addresses the issue of Sola Scriptura. Your leap in logic is tenuous and unwarranted. The Bible as our sole source of authority is based on its own integrity as the God's Word not on when the books were written relative to the origin of the Church.

I believe all the same things regarding the importance of scripture. I just don't subscribe to the alone part. I believe that the Church carries authority as well. NOT more authority but does carry authority. The Church can not contradict scripture. I believe in the authority of Scripture AND the Church. Christ gave us the Church first than Scripture so in my opinion they are both authoritve.

Those are just my thoughts on the topic.

What kind of "authority" do you believe is granted to the Church?

I'm sitting in my truck on my phone so I hope I can do this justice:

In the book of acts Philip comes upon an Egyptian with an Isaiah scroll. Philip asks if he understands what he is reading and the Egyptian says ( I'm paraphrasing) how can I understand without some to explain it to me.

When I go to Church with my fiancé, the Preacher will have a section of scripture that he will read and than give a sermon as to what that scripture is saying and how that applies to all of us.

Like Philip, the Church works in unison with scripture. Explains to us what us being said. Even Peter said in one if his letters that Paul was hard to understand.

In my opinion. Jesus knew there would be a need for a Shepard to guide his flock and that's why we have the Church being established first followed by scripture.

To me it seems logical.

[OneLight]

Judas Machabeus, it seems to me like you are talking about theology, or what is known as the Stages of Truth.  Here is a link to one class that addresses these stages and allows you to better understand how yours is formed.

 

https://bible.org/series/introduction-theology

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

No I do not hold to sola Scriptura because Jesus established a Church first. Jesus commissioned the apostles to go out and preach. It was 20+ years before things started to be written down and approx 70 yrs before the last book was written. So I believe that if sola Scriptura was the way than it would have been so from the start. Since I am a bit ignorant on the subject of scripture alone I wanted to see what others thought on the subject.

 

That is not an argument against Sola Scriptura. That epistles were written after the day of Pentecost in no way addresses the issue of Sola Scriptura. Your leap in logic is tenuous and unwarranted. The Bible as our sole source of authority is based on its own integrity as the God's Word not on when the books were written relative to the origin of the Church.

I believe all the same things regarding the importance of scripture. I just don't subscribe to the alone part. I believe that the Church carries authority as well. NOT more authority but does carry authority. The Church can not contradict scripture. I believe in the authority of Scripture AND the Church. Christ gave us the Church first than Scripture so in my opinion they are both authoritve.

Those are just my thoughts on the topic.

What kind of "authority" do you believe is granted to the Church?

I'm sitting in my truck on my phone so I hope I can do this justice:

In the book of acts Philip comes upon an Egyptian with an Isaiah scroll. Philip asks if he understands what he is reading and the Egyptian says ( I'm paraphrasing) how can I understand without some to explain it to me.

When I go to Church with my fiancé, the Preacher will have a section of scripture that he will read and than give a sermon as to what that scripture is saying and how that applies to all of us.

Like Philip, the Church works in unison with scripture. Explains to us what us being said. Even Peter said in one if his letters that Paul was hard to understand.

In my opinion. Jesus knew there would be a need for a Shepard to guide his flock and that's why we have the Church being established first followed by scripture.

To me it seems logical.

 

Sola Scriptura doesn't preclude someone teaching us the Bible.    Sola Scriptura is an authority issue.   The debate on Sola Scriptura is about the authority of Scripture versus traditions and in some cases, the Magesterium of the Catholic Church.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Judas....

  Let me welcome you to Worthy....you love Jesus,He is OUR Lord & Savior ........thats a really great start,I am glad you are here.Things of this nature I hold to be 'non-Salvational " issues & lovely discussions where we could reason together .May you be Blessed by God & by the power of the Holy Spirit come into Gods Timeless Truths with Wisdom & Understanding,,,,,this I pray for you,my Brother,in the Precious Name of Jesus!

      I would like to encourage you to really earnestly pray,seeking God & sitting down with the Bible ..........you really cannot be committed to the beliefs you are holding on to until you do,in fact ,,,,read the entire Word of God....try not to make these decisions based on your own logic & limited knowledge that you have,,,,,I say 'limited knowledge" mainly because,by your own admission,have not yet read every book of the Bible.....after you have & while you are ,,,,you will be better equipped for the Holy Spirit to bring remembrance to you & reveal to you the things of God & if you seek diligently,God Himself

       Without reading Gods Word in its entirety you cannot really know what ,how ,when,where or why Jesus did & did not do first .......Jesus is ALL Authority & He is The Word made flesh,,,,,everything will pass away but his Word will not.......Your conception of what "the church 'is might seem very different when (& if)with the heart & mind of Christ you come to see through Gods eyes.......May I make a suggestion? Begin in the Book of John,make your way through the Gospels & the New Testament but in the mean time read the Psalms.......then start on the OT        seek god every step of the way ,,,,He will reveal Himself to you if you are yearning to k NOW HIM & not just reading ABOUT Him.....

                                                                                                                               With love-in Christ,Kwik

[OneLight]

In my opinion. Jesus knew there would be a need for a Shepard to guide his flock and that's why we have the Church being established first followed by scripture.

To me it seems logical.

 

Logic?  Logic is what man delegates when analyzing a situation.  Have you not hears of Proverbs 3:5-6?

 

Trust in the Lord with all your heart,

And lean not on your own understanding;

In all your ways acknowledge Him,

And He shall direct your paths.

 

 

Where does the Holy Spirit and His gifts fall into your theology?  It would seem to me that scripture would come first, or one may end up following people like Heavens Gate and Marshall Applewhite, The Peoples Temple and Reverend Jim Jones, and The Branch Davidions and David Karesh, all pastors of their own church, but killers.  Take what people tell you and set it beside scripture to see if what you are being told holds up to the truth.

 

Remember what is said in 2 Timothy 3:16-17

 

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

[Guest]

....No I do not hold to sola Scriptura because Jesus established a Church first....

 

....Jesus commissioned the apostles to go out and preach....

 

....It was 20+ years before things started to be written down and approx 70 yrs before the last book was written....

....So I believe that if sola Scriptura was the way than it would have been so from the start....

 

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Beloved,

 

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

 

In A Way I Am Compelled To Agree With Your Conclusion

 

And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. Exodus 34:27

 

For Scripture Was From The Very Beginning The Voice Of Jesus

 

And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. Exodus 33:11

 

Speaking Through Grandfather Moses

 

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.  John 1:8

 

Down To Us

 

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39

 

And Then By His Holy Ghost

 

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:21

 

Through His Prophets 

 

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

 

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:5-6

 

You

 

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Hebrews 10:7

 

See

 

Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

 

I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. Psalms 40:7-8

 

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Yes?

 

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. John 5:46

 

Yes~!

 

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

 

According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

 

And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

 

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

 

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19

 

And So

 

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:48

 

I See Jesus From The Beginning

 

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1

 

From The Beginning

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

The same was in the beginning with God.

 

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

 

To The Beginning

 

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Revelation 21:1-5

 

In The Big Book Of Jesus

 

The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus. John 12:21

 

And I Am Blessed

 

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

[OneLight]

Keep in mind that Scripture is objective, while tradition, reason, experience, emotions and general revelation are all subjective.

Acts 17:10-12

Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.

Notice we read that they searched scripture, not asked their Pastor, Deacon or Bishop.