Sola Scriptura

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Judas....

    You are quite welcome and you seem so sincere & very candid,with a teachable spirit that is willing & ready to 'receive".......Judas ,as  long as you are committed to Jesus ,yearning & seeking  that deeper ,more intimate relationship with God.......you will have it!And by all means never take a seat of "They cannot teach ME anything"...it can be truly amazing how & who through ,the Holy Spirit will teach us at different times.

     One Light has shared with you Gods Absolute Truth, Jesus' true "church" is comprised of individuals,,,,the life Source is not in "the church" ,by Jesus own Word he tells us that HE is the Way,the LIFE & the Truth,,,,,the GodHead Triune is the source but the Holy Spirit is ALIVE in each individual.......we,as individuals having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit come together by the unity of our faith in the knowledge of Christ Jesus ..this is 'the Church"......that One Body,each one dependent on the other that we be effective members of this same Body with Christ as our Head.....and by the Power of the Holy Spirit we walk in Spirit & in Truth

 

Colossians 2:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

 God Bless you & be reminded........

 

Matthew 5:18 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter

18 For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.

                                                                                                                                    With love-in Christ,Kwik

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

Onelight you said:

Nevertheless, since the body (church) is taught by the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit teaches us scripture, how can scripture and the church be equal?

The Church is Christ's body so how can the Word be greater than the Body when both are from God. I believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one God in three person. All equal and divine and one God. So how can the Word be more than the Church. How can one person of God be more than any of the others?

[Fez]

Onelight you said:

Nevertheless, since the body (church) is taught by the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit teaches us scripture, how can scripture and the church be equal?

The Church is Christ's body so how can the Word be greater than the Body when both are from God. I believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one God in three person. All equal and divine and one God. So how can the Word be more than the Church. How can one person of God be more than any of the others?

So how can the Word be more than the Church.

 

Can you name a few churches and pastors that run them that are more than the Word? 

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

Fez,

I have never said anything was more than the Word. My argument is that BOTH are needed. It's scripture AND the Church.

[Guest shiloh357]

Fez,

I have never said anything was more than the Word. My argument is that BOTH are needed. It's scripture AND the Church.

Yes, but the problem is that you can't have two authorities of equal weight.  The Bible is infallible, the Church is not.  And if I might ask in what way specifically is the Church needed authoritatively in relation to Scripture?

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

Fez,

I have never said anything was more than the Word. My argument is that BOTH are needed. It's scripture AND the Church.

Yes, but the problem is that you can't have two authorities of equal weight. The Bible is infallible, the Church is not. And if I might ask in what way specifically is the Church needed authoritatively in relation to Scripture?

The Church and Scripture are two different things. They serve two different purposes, I demonstrated that with the example of the canon. It was not scripture that determined what was scripture it took the Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to determine what books would be considered inspired.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

Fez,

I have never said anything was more than the Word. My argument is that BOTH are needed. It's scripture AND the Church.

Yes, but the problem is that you can't have two authorities of equal weight. The Bible is infallible, the Church is not. And if I might ask in what way specifically is the Church needed authoritatively in relation to Scripture?

The Church and Scripture are two different things. They serve two different purposes, I demonstrated that with the example of the canon. It was not scripture that determined what was scripture it took the Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to determine what books would be considered inspired.

 

That is not wholly accurate.  The Church did not determine would be considered inspired.  The Church recognized the inspired canon.  The Church did not dictate which books would or would not be considered inspired.

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

My phrasing was a bit sloppy so I apologize. The Church through the guidance of the Holy Spirit determined/recognized which books where inspired and which ones were not.

You can use the word determined or recognized inter changeable here I think.

[Guest shiloh357]

My phrasing was a bit sloppy so I apologize. The Church through the guidance of the Holy Spirit determined/recognized which books where inspired and which ones were not.

You can use the word determined or recognized inter changeable here I think.

No, you can't.   If we say that the church determined the canon, then we are saying that the church sat in judgment on it and decided which books belonged in the canon.

 

When we say that the Church recognized the canon.  It means that the inspired nature of the books were already known and the Church simply acknowledged that fact.

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

Really this discussion is going to come down to a word.

I think we've come down to semantics now.

It's the determination of the Church to recognize the 27 books of the New Testament as the canon of scripture.

Regardless how you phrase it, it was the Church being guided by the Holy Spirit and it was NOT scripture that gave us the canon. No where in scripture will you find a list of the canon. Therefore the Church exercised its authority to close the canon.