OakWood Posted September 27, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I don't know of any deals either. God doesn't deal, wager or bet. He already k n o w s God made a promise to the Jews that if they followed his laws he would bless them. But according to you he doesn't make deals because he already knows? I don't know of any deals either. God doesn't deal, wager or bet. He already k n o w s God made a promise to the Jews that if they followed his laws he would bless them. But according to you he doesn't make deals because he already knows? You spoke of satan...you said you thought God made a deal with the devil. Then, you described your 'idea' as a challenge...possibly. According to me, I know that deal is not in the Bible. If you would like to discuss Israel, I guess a new thread would be in order. Definately not a deal though...more like a covenant. Let's not play games. I'm not playing games. Guess what? Where did Cain's wife come from? The Bible doesn't tell us, so let's not discuss it. Do you think that Mystery Babylon could be New York? I don't know, it's not in the Bible, so let's not discuss it. So why does God not destroy Satan here and now? It would save a lot of time wouldn't it? But the Bible doesn't tell us, so let's not discuss it. The Op asked a question. I'm giving what I think the reason is. But it's not in the Bible so my reason therefore must be completely wrong. Why don't you discuss my reason and why you think it's wrong? Give me an alternative explanation. So why does God allow Satan to do what he does? Can you give me an answer? Because whatever answer you give, I can just play your game and say 'it's not in the Bible - matter closed'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finestofthewheat Posted September 28, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 39 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sin is the answer to why there are so many religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,265 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,993 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sin is the answer to why there are so many religions. Including Christianity... if it weren't for sin, we wouldn't need to be Christians. I know, I know.... that's dumb....... but it's also true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 How is it that so many false religions and false views of God continue to exist without being brought into subjection to the true? But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:7-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sin is the answer to why there are so many religions. Of sin, because they believe not on me; John 16:9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disciplehelovestoo Posted September 28, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 159 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 81 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 28, 2014 There is but one true living God. How is it that so many false religions and false views of God continue to exist without being brought into subjection to the true? I do not have the complete answer and look forward to hearing your responses but I do have a better answer than when I first began to try to understand God. I understand that God is God and does not change. From this point on my arguments will begin to break down because nothing compares to God but I have to have a frame of reference to work from so poor comparisons through illistrations must suffice. A rock is a rock is a rock. A rock has properties that allow us to interact with it. Unlike God we can change a rock so here it breaks down but let us suppose that for the sake of the illustration that we cannot. So we can do all kinds of things concerning this rock provided we don't disturb the rock and cause it to fall upon us and break us into pieces. God has properties or attributes if you will such as mercy, grace and patience that seem to provide a framework for principalities and powers, rulers in high places to author and build whole religions around so that those following the false religion have freedom to move within set boundaries that allows them to live their lives in error without ever crossing the line too far and being destroyed by the one true God. In other words there is enough truth in them to sustain them. But like a chess game it is only a matter of time until tge one true God will position his pieces to eliminate all error. God is good. And really patient! all false religions have one thing in common - they are focused on self, rather than God, Who is absolutely self-less - True Christianity is self-less, not self-ish. i'm talking about focus, not performance - all false religions are performance-focused, which is actually self-focused. in essence, there is only one false religion - the religion of self-worship; it's just the 'packaging' that makes it appear that there are many false religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted September 28, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted September 28, 2014 I don't know of any deals either. God doesn't deal, wager or bet. He already k n o w s God made a promise to the Jews that if they followed his laws he would bless them. But according to you he doesn't make deals because he already knows? I don't know of any deals either. God doesn't deal, wager or bet. He already k n o w s God made a promise to the Jews that if they followed his laws he would bless them. But according to you he doesn't make deals because he already knows? You spoke of satan...you said you thought God made a deal with the devil. Then, you described your 'idea' as a challenge...possibly. According to me, I know that deal is not in the Bible. If you would like to discuss Israel, I guess a new thread would be in order. Definately not a deal though...more like a covenant. Let's not play games. I'm not playing games. Guess what? Where did Cain's wife come from? The Bible doesn't tell us, so let's not discuss it. Do you think that Mystery Babylon could be New York? I don't know, it's not in the Bible, so let's not discuss it. So why does God not destroy Satan here and now? It would save a lot of time wouldn't it? But the Bible doesn't tell us, so let's not discuss it. The Op asked a question. I'm giving what I think the reason is. But it's not in the Bible so my reason therefore must be completely wrong. Why don't you discuss my reason and why you think it's wrong? Give me an alternative explanation. So why does God allow Satan to do what he does? Can you give me an answer? Because whatever answer you give, I can just play your game and say 'it's not in the Bible - matter closed'! Well, that is not exactly the exchange ... but that's fine. You misrepresent what I wrote and why I wrote it. I am not the only one who negated your apparent belief that God made a deal with the devil. That was all I addressed...you took it to the 9th degree. I'm not going to argue with you...but what you wrote is hardly factual. I think it best if I do not reply again, but I did want to address your twisting what I wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted September 28, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I don't know of any deals either. God doesn't deal, wager or bet. He already k n o w s God made a promise to the Jews that if they followed his laws he would bless them. But according to you he doesn't make deals because he already knows? I don't know of any deals either. God doesn't deal, wager or bet. He already k n o w s God made a promise to the Jews that if they followed his laws he would bless them. But according to you he doesn't make deals because he already knows? You spoke of satan...you said you thought God made a deal with the devil. Then, you described your 'idea' as a challenge...possibly. According to me, I know that deal is not in the Bible. If you would like to discuss Israel, I guess a new thread would be in order. Definately not a deal though...more like a covenant. Let's not play games. I'm not playing games. Guess what? Where did Cain's wife come from? The Bible doesn't tell us, so let's not discuss it. Do you think that Mystery Babylon could be New York? I don't know, it's not in the Bible, so let's not discuss it. So why does God not destroy Satan here and now? It would save a lot of time wouldn't it? But the Bible doesn't tell us, so let's not discuss it. The Op asked a question. I'm giving what I think the reason is. But it's not in the Bible so my reason therefore must be completely wrong. Why don't you discuss my reason and why you think it's wrong? Give me an alternative explanation. So why does God allow Satan to do what he does? Can you give me an answer? Because whatever answer you give, I can just play your game and say 'it's not in the Bible - matter closed'! Well, that is not exactly the exchange ... but that's fine. You misrepresent what I wrote and why I wrote it. I am not the only one who negated your apparent belief that God made a deal with the devil. That was all I addressed...you took it to the 9th degree. I'm not going to argue with you...but what you wrote is hardly factual. I think it best if I do not reply again, but I did want to address your twisting what I wrote. If you actually read what I wrote: "I shouldn't really call it a deal because it sounds like God collaborates with Satan. I think it's better described as a challenge that Satan set God. When Satan became full of pride he wanted to share in some of God's glory. He wants us to worship him as a god too, but God became angry with Satan's haughtiness and rebellion and kicked him out of heaven along with a third of the angels that had collaborated with him. God could have destroyed Satan there and then but by doing so he would have effectively lost the argument, and God is nothing but fair." Now tell me exactly what is ARROGANT about that? Or perhaps you think that me calling God fair and explaining why he is, is arrogant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted September 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,147 Content Per Day: 4.60 Reputation: 27,843 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 28, 2014 Blessings to Everyone! That's very true, but he can't make you do so....... he just makes it worth your while here on earth. posted by other one Right on point,,,,,,,it all boils down to this world here on earth & the lure of things in it,dominion......satan still would like to believe he has dominion here & will eventually be where he has always aspired to be,,,,above God Oakwood has said a mouthful of Truth,okay,okay,,,,he chose the wrong word "deal" ,can everyone move past his wrong choice of a word & see what he is saying? Between Oakwood & other one you really do not have to look any further for an answer One Light,,,,,,put it very neatly together in Scripture given us by Paul,,,,,,what more is there to add,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it has been prophecied,we know how it all started & thanks be to God we know how it will all end.................Glory to God! With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted September 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,257 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,526 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Hi gdemoss, An interesting question & discussion. A good read. Now you said - `How is it that so many false religions and false views of God continue to exist without being brought into subjection to the true?` My thoughts are, as others have said - `time & judgment.` The Nations - God is bringing them to judgment when their `iniquity...is complete.` (Gen. 15: 16) When Satan has finally deceived mankind into thinking he can rule the world, evil will have come to a head & all will see that God is just. Mankind or Satan can`t say `you didn`t give us an opportunity to show that we could rule the world.` Israel - God is showing them that He will fulfil His covenant with them, to deliver them from their enemies, finish their time of chastisement & atone for their land & nation. (Joel 3: 2) The Body of Christ - God is bringing us to the `Unity of Faith,` by His Holy Spirit who is guiding us into all the truth of Christ, His character & His purposes. (which is the reason for this question - why is God .......not bringing them into subjection.....) We are learning to `overcome,` the lies of the enemy to the nations in preparation for `ruling & reigning with Christ.` Edited September 28, 2014 by Marilyn C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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