Hell

[other one]

i don't know for sure how long the burning in hell lasts....       nor do I entend to find out....

 

I didn't decide to follow Jesus as a fire insurance, but because he's the coolest dude I ever heard about, and he took me out of the sure grasp of Lucifer.......    I'm his because I love him, not fear him.    I also no longer fear the Father for he sent Jesus here to save me from myself.....  now that I know how much he loves me, how/why could/should I fear him

[other one]

 

i don't know for sure how long the burning in hell lasts....       nor do I entend to find out....

 

I didn't decide to follow Jesus as a fire insurance, but because he's the coolest dude I ever heard about, and he took me out of the sure grasp of Lucifer.......    I'm his because I love him, not fear him.    I also no longer fear the Father for he sent Jesus here to save me from myself.....  now that I know how much he loves me, how/why could/should I fear him

 

Yes it does sound politically incorrect, He sent Yeshua, we no longer need to fear YEHOVAH GOD

 

The problem is Yeshua persisted in the command to keep fearing YEHOVAH GOD

 

Luke 12:4-5King James Version (KJV)

 

4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

 

5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

 

The Bible gives us many examples of people who lacked the fear of the Lord. We are told in Proverbs 1:29 about those who "hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the Lord." What an incredible connection. Ultimate knowledge is linked here to the fear of the Lord.

 

In fact, a healthy relationship with God is both a holy fear of God and a tender love for God

 

 

Luke 12:3-10

4 "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who after He has killed has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! 6 "Are not five sparrows sold for two cents? And yet not one of them is forgotten before God. 7 "Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear; you are of more value than many sparrows. 8 "And I say to you, everyone who confesses Me before men, the Son of Man shall confess him also before the angels of God; 9 but he who denies Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

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But as you read on further we are informed not to fear........    fearing God is for unbelievers, not for those who follow Christ.

If I did not know Jesus, I would be terrified of all three of them......   but as long as I believe and follow Jesus I have no reason to fear......   

 

I have the kind of relationship that I can approach the throne boldly not in fear, because I know my place and my allegience to him/them and there is no reason to fear.   Unless I decide to oppose them......    then I guess you could say it would be a good thing to fear....   but it isn't the fear of Hell that draws me to Jesus......   it was his love for me that pricked my heart and stole me from the grasp of the devil.

 

If the only reason to become a Christian is to escape hell, how can you possibly develope a close realtionship

[other one]

 

If you have no reason to fear...then by your own admission you have perfected holiness?

 

 

I don't approach the throne because of my holiness, but because of Jesus' holiness.    When he is my Lord, it is his righteousness that makes me clean and white and thus I have no fear of the Godhead as long as I am with Him.

[other one]

It sounds like you are saying that Godly fear is an understanding of what They have the capability of doing to us......    even a fool could/would have that.

[zhavoney]

 

Where is Hell or the lake of fire ?

 

Will people actually be burning forever ?

 

Hell was translated from four different words. 1. Sheol = Ancient Hebrew word for "the dug out place below the surface of the earth. The Grave.

2. Hades = The Greek word for Sheol.

3. Tartaroo = The bottomless Pit. The abyss.

4 Gehenna = The Valley of the Son of Hinnom. According to Jerremiah 7:32 = "The valley of slaughter". This is the one that Christ referred to regularly.

 

The wages of sin is death. Everyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear knows what death is. A lifeless body.

Anyone who dies will not  have Life again until the resurrection from the dead.

 

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

[other one]

 

It sounds like you are saying that Godly fear is an understanding of what They have the capability of doing to us......    even a fool could/would have that.

 

I'm not talking about terror, I'm talking about fear of His awesomeness hence my statement YEHOVAH GOD is who you must fear, that fear that is the beginning of wisdom, not the beginning of terror, which apparently you are not afraid of.

 

Yehovah is not the Father, Jehovah is what Jesus was before he was flesh.....   but I understand what you are saying, I just would not refer to that as fear.  Fear is getting on the back of a 2000 pound bull and tying your left hand securely to it and turning it loose with you still on it's back....   you just know it would like to stomp you into the ground......   that's real fear...   while God is capable of much more than that, I have no reason to think he will or wants to.......   the look in the eyes of that bull, you know he wants to kill you and that's fear....  more precisely terror.

So my point is that considering all, I have no reason to fear that either Jesus, The Father or the Holy Spirit would want to harm me in any way so why would I call my feelings of awe in their presence fear?

[other one]

Does that society that stopped fearing God love him????     Do you really follow Jesus because you fear what he wil do if you don't?

[Reformed Baptist]

 

 

Where is Hell or the lake of fire ?

 

Will people actually be burning forever ?

For me Hell is anywhere Jesus isn't.

 

I agree, hell is anywhere Jesus is not.

 

 

I don't think the Bible agrees with you.

 

Rev 14:10-11  "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

[Reformed Baptist]

 

 

 

The Lake of Fire is Gehenna which is outside of Jerusalem and it is where the wicked will be destroyed. No, people will not burn forever, Gehenna will one day be restore to the Lord.

 

Hell is a temporary holding ground until judgement day for the lost. Lake of fire is eternal for the lost with no being brought out of after judgement of the lost. Even hell and death is cast into the lake of fire and scripture says that their torments ascendeth up forever.

 

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

By Hell, it seems you mean Hades. Hades is the grave and it is where everyone goes when they die. The Lake of Fire, Gehenna will not burn forever, it will be made holy to the Lord in the future. If you look at the passage Rev, 14:11, you'll find that those in torment are alive, they are not dead and in the Lake of Fire. The word translated worship is in the present tense, they are being tormented while they are worshiping the Beast. Also, if you look at the next verse you'll find that the saints are there also.

 

11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14:11-12 NKJ)

 

The Greek word translated "here" means in the same place. This obviously isn't the Lake of Fire if the saints are there.

 

Another point is that "forever and ever" is not the proper translation. The Greek phrase actually means, ages of ages, it's not the modern idea of eternity.

 

 

I am sorry the Greek is αἰῶνας αἰώνων (Rev 14:11) now, as far as I can tell most lexicons recognise that the noun αἰών can refer to an age or eternity - however in this construction it would very problematic to read it as 'ages of ages'  though I can how how the genitive αἰώνων might lead one to that conclusion however we we consider the next phrase and the sense of continual restlessness that it speaks of καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἀνάπαυσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς it becomes clear that not only is forever and ever a possible translation, but also the most appropriate one. 

[Butch5]

 

 

 

 

The Lake of Fire is Gehenna which is outside of Jerusalem and it is where the wicked will be destroyed. No, people will not burn forever, Gehenna will one day be restore to the Lord.

 

Hell is a temporary holding ground until judgement day for the lost. Lake of fire is eternal for the lost with no being brought out of after judgement of the lost. Even hell and death is cast into the lake of fire and scripture says that their torments ascendeth up forever.

 

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

By Hell, it seems you mean Hades. Hades is the grave and it is where everyone goes when they die. The Lake of Fire, Gehenna will not burn forever, it will be made holy to the Lord in the future. If you look at the passage Rev, 14:11, you'll find that those in torment are alive, they are not dead and in the Lake of Fire. The word translated worship is in the present tense, they are being tormented while they are worshiping the Beast. Also, if you look at the next verse you'll find that the saints are there also.

 

11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14:11-12 NKJ)

 

The Greek word translated "here" means in the same place. This obviously isn't the Lake of Fire if the saints are there.

 

Another point is that "forever and ever" is not the proper translation. The Greek phrase actually means, ages of ages, it's not the modern idea of eternity.

 

 

I am sorry the Greek is αἰῶνας αἰώνων (Rev 14:11) now, as far as I can tell most lexicons recognise that the noun αἰών can refer to an age or eternity - however in this construction it would very problematic to read it as 'ages of ages'  though I can how how the genitive αἰώνων might lead one to that conclusion however we we consider the next phrase and the sense of continual restlessness that it speaks of καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἀνάπαυσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς it becomes clear that not only is forever and ever a possible translation, but also the most appropriate one. 

 

That's not logical. The word can't mean eternity and a time period that is not eternal. That's like saying the same word can mean yes and no. "Aion" is used of things that are finite in duration thus it is not eternal. Aion was used to translate "Owlam" on the Septuagint, and Owlam doesn't mean eternal or forever and ever despite the English translations.