ebola in nyc

[Guest shiloh357]

Ebala has just come to the US.  In a few years, it could become as widespread as other diseases.  The fact that it hasn't infected as many people as the flu doesn't mean the potential isn't there.

 

If someone finds they have cancer in an earlly stage, they treat it aggressively so that it doesn't spread throughout their body.   They don't downplay it has unimportant simply because it hasn't spread all over their body yet.

 

The biggest mistake that some people make is to treat Ebola as something that isn't so serious simply because it hasn't affected us as much as it has overseas.  The responsible thing to do is ban anyone from W Africa from coming to the US.  No one who has been to W Africa should be allowed into the US until it is proven they don't have Ebola.   We need to put America first and protect our country.  We need to keep Ebola contained in W Africa and fight it over there.

 

We are still at a place where we can kill Ebola but we never will win the fight when we have people who insist on treating it like its no big deal and nothing to be overly concerned about and blindly follow the misinformation that is being put out by the fools at the CDC who are getting their marching orders from our incompetent administration.

[Burning_Ember]

Ebola requires a military peacekeeping operation level of medical aid in Africa. Literally tens of thousands of medical people on the job. You can block all the flights you want but it doesn't matter if Ebola spreads from West Africa across land borders to the rest of Africa, and those land borders are basically impossible to secure, and makes the southern border of the US look like it's in lockdown in comparison. It will then spread from there to everywhere else.

 

If you want to stop Ebola, call your Congressman/Representatives and tell them to start a massive humanitarian aid mission, the largest the world has ever seen.

[Fez]

Ebola requires a military peacekeeping operation level of medical aid in Africa. Literally tens of thousands of medical people on the job. You can block all the flights you want but it doesn't matter if Ebola spreads from West Africa across land borders to the rest of Africa, and those land borders are basically impossible to secure, and makes the southern border of the US look like it's in lockdown in comparison. It will then spread from there to everywhere else.

 

If you want to stop Ebola, call your Congressman/Representatives and tell them to start a massive humanitarian aid mission, the largest the world has ever seen.

If it carries on at the rate it is there will be 1.4 million cases by January 2015, or so WHO and Doctors without Borders are saying. And looking at exponential spread this is quite possible. The first case has just been found in Mali ( a two year old girl died). Mali is one of the poorest, most underdeveloped countries in the world.

 

As to the land borders, you are right. In some countries it is known for men to have a wife both sides of the "border". South Africa's eastern boundary fence with Mozambique is a three strand barbed wire fence. People from Mozambique walk through it every day to shop and trade in the town of Emanguzi, 100 miles from where I live. There is little or no patrolling of the border.

[other one]

this comes from the Counter Jihad Report.   I'm not posting the URL because of a picture of a young girl who is deceased.

 

 

Islam isn’t just at the heart of the terror threat posed by the Islamic State. The religion is also contributing to the other major crisis plaguing the globe: the spread of Ebola.

Washington and its media stenographers won’t tell you this, lest they look intolerant, but Islamic burial rituals are a key reason why health officials can’t contain the spread of the deadly disease in West Africa.

Many of the victims of Ebola in the three hot-spot nations there — Sierra Leone and Guinea, as well as neighboring Liberia — are Muslim. Roughly 73% of Sierra Leone’s and about 85% of Guinea’s people are Muslim. Islam, moreover, is practiced by more than 13% of Liberians.

When Muslims die, family members don’t turn to a funeral home or crematorium to take care of the body. In Islam, death is handled much differently.

Relatives personally wash the corpses of loved ones from head to toe. Often, several family members participate in this posthumous bathing ritual, known as Ghusl.

Before scrubbing the skin with soap and water, family members press down on the abdomen to excrete fluids still in the body. A mixture of camphor and water is used for a final washing. Then, family members dry off the body and shroud it in white linens.

Again, washing the bodies of the dead in this way is considered a collective duty for Muslims, especially in Muslim nations. Failure to do so is believed to leave the deceased “impure” and jeopardizes the faithful’s ascension into Paradise (unless he died in jihad; then no Ghusl is required).

Before the body is buried, Muslims attending the funeral typically pass a common bowl for use in ablution or washing of the face, feet and hands, compounding the risk of infection.

Though these customs are prescribed by Shariah law, they’re extremely dangerous and should be suspended. Mosque leaders must step in to educate village Muslims about the dangers of interacting with corpses.

Ebola victims can be more contagious dead than alive. Their bodies are covered in rashes, blood and other fluids containing the virus.

“Funerals and washing dead bodies in West African countries have led, to a great extent, to spread the disease,” a World Health Organization spokeswoman recently warned.

WHO has issued an advisory to Red Cross and other relief workers in African Muslim nations to “be aware of the family’s cultural practices and religious beliefs. Help the family understand why some practices cannot be done because they place the family or others at risk for exposure.”

 

[The_Patriot21]

oh yes, lets prosecute a doctor, because he was human. lets put this in perspective, hes an american doctor, and when he was overseas he probably had access to his own medical equipment and procedures and probably followed them to the latter. He comes home, and being a doctor, thought he was being safe over there. He feels a little sluggish-could be ebola, could also just be jetlag, or even a common cold which is common for america. big deal. So why not go spend a night on the town, or hang out with his loved one he hasnt seen in awhile. Did he make a mistake? certainly. but all that proves is hes human. But yes, lets send a guy to jail for being human and making a easy to make mistake. I mean come on people, a little common sense here, do you not think that catching ebola isn't enough punishment? And what if he got his girlfriend infected? if he lives he will have to live with the fact that he gave the woman he loves a deadly disease, and if it kills her, its even worse. But no, lets send the guy to jail on top of that. While were at it, lets just throw people who contract malaria in jail to, I mean they just transmit the disease to. 

[Guest shiloh357]

oh yes, lets prosecute a doctor, because he was human. lets put this in perspective, hes an american doctor, and when he was overseas he probably had access to his own medical equipment and procedures and probably followed them to the latter. He comes home, and being a doctor, thought he was being safe over there. He feels a little sluggish-could be ebola, could also just be jetlag, or even a common cold which is common for america. big deal. So why not go spend a night on the town, or hang out with his loved one he hasnt seen in awhile. Did he make a mistake? certainly. but all that proves is hes human. But yes, lets send a guy to jail for being human and making a easy to make mistake. I mean come on people, a little common sense here, do you not think that catching ebola isn't enough punishment? And what if he got his girlfriend infected? if he lives he will have to live with the fact that he gave the woman he loves a deadly disease, and if it kills her, its even worse. But no, lets send the guy to jail on top of that. While were at it, lets just throw people who contract malaria in jail to, I mean they just transmit the disease to. 

Given that he is a doctor and given all of the extensive coverage this has gotten over the last few weeks, he should have known better.   it's not like he was living under a rock. 

 

When  a nurse, Nina Pham, started feeling "sluggish" the first thing she did was admit herself into the hospital.  She didn't go out on the town thinking it was something else.  She took immediate steps and was in the hospital within 90 min. of not feeling good. That is what he, a doctor, should have done.  

 

So if he has infected people when he knew he should have quarantined himself, then his actions are prosecutable.  He could easily face prosecution from anyone he had contact with with if they didn't know they were in danger and are now infected due to his negligence.

 

The "I'm only human" defense is just too flimsy.

[Fez]

I see a mandatory 21 day quarantine for anyone who has been in an Ebola hot spot dealing with bola is to be implemented.

 

A good idea, especially if the doctors and nurses returning will be paid for 21 days, otherwise it will be a problem.

[The_Patriot21]

Shiloh, he is only human. He made mistake, and mid diagnosed himself. And its a mistake he is well aware of. Filing charges against him will do what exactly? Stop the spread of Ebola? Not likely. It will just add insult to injury for no good reason and lead us further down the road to a police state. Were glad that nurse didn't make that mistake but the fact is doctor or not he's still human and still not perfect. You sit here and demand justice for a mistake-one that could cost this man his life-but I garentee if you were in his shoes you would see it different.

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, he is only human. He made mistake, and mid diagnosed himself. And its a mistake he is well aware of. Filing charges against him will do what exactly? Stop the spread of Ebola? Not likely. It will just add insult to injury for no good reason and lead us further down the road to a police state. Were glad that nurse didn't make that mistake but the fact is doctor or not he's still human and still not perfect. You sit here and demand justice for a mistake-one that could cost this man his life-but I garentee if you were in his shoes you would see it different.

sorry Pat, but that is just a weak argument.   He is a doctor.  He is paid not to misdiagnose.   "I'm only human," isn't a defense.  It's an excuse and a weak and flimsy one at that.

 

He is a doctor who was treating ebola patients in Africa.  He knows what the symptoms look like.  He has no excuse, and claiming he misdiagnosed himself is just lame.   He knows that the symptoms start off looking like the flu.   He took a gamble and lost.   So the choices are simple:  Either he is too incompetent to correctly identify the symptoms of a disease he has been treating and as such probably needs to be removed from practicing medicine on the grounds of no competence, OR he is perfectly competent, knew he had ebola symptoms but went out and knowingly had contact with people and potentially infecting them.   That does cross the line over into criminal negligence.  

 

Arresting him may have the effect of making an example out of him and perhaps other health workers who have been working with ebola patients won't make such stupid errors.   He needs to be held responsible.  It is time for these health workers to get the message that if there is even the slightest chance they have been infected they need to take immediate steps to quarantine themselves  and get treatment. 

 

I demand justice because of an irresponsible, boneheaded error that any competent medical professional would not make.  I am demanding justice for the other innocent people he infected and who lives is wanton negligence and irresponsible behavior has potentially ruined.

[Guest LadyC]

patriot, with all due respect, he made a very careless mistake. he's a doctor, and he's been over there on the front lines. but he hasn't been living under a rock. he was working for the same company as the doctors who first came to america with ebola, who had ALSO been extremely careful while dealing with the disease in africa. he was aware he was feeling crummy and he chose to go out in public, also knowing that anyone who has been exposed to it has been requested to self monitor and keep themselves isolated for three weeks. 

 

yes, he made a mistake. but he didn't make a mistake out of ignorance. he made a mistake with full knowledge of what the risks were. even the nurse who went to ohio at least called the CDC and got permission, and she was just barely feeling a little crummy too. her mistake was on someone else's shoulders. this doctor's mistake was not.

 

so yes, IF others he came in contact with come down with it, he should be prosecuted.

 

this really is no different than someone who knows he's been exposed to an STD and then gets carried away and has relations with a woman, giving her the gift that keeps on giving. mistake? yeah, potentially deadly mistake, and one that is prosecutable.

 

people get prosecuted every day for their mistakes. this doctor should have evaluated the risk  and made choices based on that calculation in accordance with CDC guidelines. and sadly, HE DID that. he evaluated the risk, knew the guidelines, and decided he wanted to go out and celebrate his return to civilization anyway.

 

this isn't about being mean. i feel for the guy, and he needs our prayers. i'm assuming he is a christian since he was working with doctors without borders, and since it seems as if their doctors are not just physicians but also missionaries. whether he is or isn't is irrelevant. he needs our prayer, and he needs compassion. but that doesn't relieve him from his responsibility, and as a doctor, he knew better than most how irresponsible his decision was.