Being led by Holy Spirit into wilderness & away from local church?

[Marilyn C]

Very interesting crochetlady,

 

My husband & I were also in `ministry,` in a denomination but now in `ministry` in a relational network of believers that meet in houses & every where else. Our focus is growing in the Lord, reaching out & helping others to know how to reach out to their relationships at the appropriate level & understanding of those people. Too long we have just asked people to a meeting or `bible bashed` them, but now the Holy Spirit is guiding us to understand how to help people work through the questions that they ask concerning life & relationships.

 

It is a long term work of relating to people, being there, helping, caring, sharing etc. Too often we want to just give people the `answer - Jesus` when actually there is a process of helping that person work through the questions they have. We all grow when we work through life`s questions & we need, I believe to respect others who just need our Holy Spirit guided questions to prompt that person to think in the right direction.

 

I trust that God will open up relationships around you in this new area. I will pray in this regard if that is what you desire in the Lord.

 

Blessings, Marilyn.

[zhavoney]

 

All scripture was an invite to me to fast and pray in the wilderness for forty days. All without preparing the way back to the pig pen. Moses was on the mountain with no food and water for forty days. It changed his direction and life. Elijah traveled for forty days without food or water to .Horeb, the mountain of God and it changed his direction and life.  Christ Fasted and prayed without food and water in the wilderness for forty days and it added to and strengthened  his way of life.

 

Please explain this concept of "All without preparing the way back to the pig pen"? Are you referring to lost people, the Church, other Believers, or what? 

What passage of the Bible are you referring to Moses being on the mountain with no food and water for 40 days? Are you referring to Exodus 24 or Exodus 34 for example?

In Exodus 24-25 God was re-affirming His covenant with Israel and giving Moses instructions such as directions on the Ark of the Covenant. 

Ex. 24:18

18 So Moses went into the midst of the cloud and went up into the mountain. And Moses was on the mountain forty days and forty nights.

If this is what you are referring to in Exodus 34 God was calling Moses to a very specific task by giving Moses the 10 Commandments:

Ex 34:28

28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Elijah travelled without food and water... Actually if you are referring to 1 Kings 19 Elijah had 2 meals that lasted him for 40 days. However, that was after Elijah asked God to end his life... And Elijah fled out of his own will the queen Jezebel. 

Are you saying that fasting for 40 days and nights is something Christians are called to today? 

God bless,

GE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was referring to citizenship with the beast as the pigpen. The beast with seven heads and ten horns.

Daniel  7:24 The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings. 

25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. 

26 'But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever. 

27 Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

 

Deuteronomy 9:9 When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water.

 

 

All of us are called to a very specific task.  Matthew 22: 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

 

No amount of food eaten today can last you for forty days. As a matter of fact modern science says that a forty day fast with no food and water is impossible. But then that is exactly what the flesh would say isn't it?

 

Do you think that if God purposed it with one or more  of His elect that they could stay alive and healthy being sustained by God from within for three and a half years? That is eating and drinking nothing for three and a half years?

[GoldenEagle]

I am out in the wilderness.

See this thread brother: 

[GoldenEagle]

To GoldenEagle  #27

 

What is the problem with driving 45 minutes to a church?  Well -- cause in This area there's nothing Local about it -- our younger son had been home on vacation from college and was invited to visit the church.  Well -- it's in another town -- so I assumed it would be a one-Sunday visit.  To further answer your question -- the traveling is mostly out in the country -- no bathroom stops along the way and my 'system' is fairly unpredictable.

 

My husband and son - the younger one who's not around here any more - are pro KJV.  I grew up with KJV and have since gravitated to NKJV and NIV.  We're in a liberal area.  My husband's job transferred him / us to this area 25 yrs ago. Our small town is Check / Catholic and we're neither. 

 

Yes, all churches Do teach something.  We went to a church for a while that / while the Pastor Did preach from KJ -- he managed to preach from passages with very little doctrine -- we realized after a while that he wasn't teaching doctrine.  It was Strange.  We left and kept on visiting churches trying to find one that taught Bible with authority and wasn't in process of loosing a pastor or looking for a new one. 

 

In this area -- church becomes more of a social center -- lots of activities -- but Where did Bible go?  Maybe it's a sign of the times -- people don't Want to hear sound doctrine -- they Prefer to Not have their conscience pricked by Scripture -- and the congregation Does hire / pay the pastor. 

 

Last year or so -- our church's youth pastor was being ordained.  Pastor asked all the former pastors in the congregation to come forward for the laying on of hands.   Since pastor knew that  'we' were formerly pastor and wife many , many years ago -- he was one of 8 men who went up.  That amazed me -- 8 former pastors.  A possible 'sign' that churches don't want Bible taught with any authority.

 

And I agree-- watching Dr. Jeremiah and Jack Graham on T. V. and  'It Is Written'  -- are Not a substitute for church.  But -- I guess that my being on several Forums is my 'outlet' for sharing  with others on various topics.

I've gotten into some interesting 'discussions' over the past months.  Years. 

I see what you're saying. It is not uncommon where i live for people to travel 30-45 minutes to a church. Sometimes even an hour. So to me it sounds like excuses...

This may surprise you but a very small portion of the Body of Christ still uses the KJV. In fact I know of very few churches in our area that still use it as the primary translation. And they're not liberal at all. Lol

Have you considered starting a home church in your city? 

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

 

I was referring to citizenship with the beast as the pigpen. The beast with seven heads and ten horns.

Daniel  7:24 The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings. 

25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. 

26 'But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever. 

27 Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

 

Deuteronomy 9:9 When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water.

 

 

All of us are called to a very specific task.  Matthew 22: 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

 

No amount of food eaten today can last you for forty days. As a matter of fact modern science says that a forty day fast with no food and water is impossible. But then that is exactly what the flesh would say isn't it?

 

Do you think that if God purposed it with one or more  of His elect that they could stay alive and healthy being sustained by God from within for three and a half years? That is eating and drinking nothing for three and a half years?

 

Still speaking in symbols I see. Not sure if it's a cultural thing or what. Beast and pigpen? Why not speak plainly? Are you speaking of the anti-Christ?

As far as Matt. 22 goes it's the call to follow Christ. Some would say that not many are chosen (predestined) to follow God. 

What does fasting for 40 days have to do with fasting for 3.5 years?

God bless,

GE

[zhavoney]

 

 

 

 

I was referring to citizenship with the beast as the pigpen. The beast with seven heads and ten horns.

Daniel  7:24 The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings. 

25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. 

26 'But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever. 

27 Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

 

Deuteronomy 9:9 When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water.

 

 

All of us are called to a very specific task.  Matthew 22: 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

 

No amount of food eaten today can last you for forty days. As a matter of fact modern science says that a forty day fast with no food and water is impossible. But then that is exactly what the flesh would say isn't it?

 

Do you think that if God purposed it with one or more  of His elect that they could stay alive and healthy being sustained by God from within for three and a half years? That is eating and drinking nothing for three and a half years?

 

Still speaking in symbols I see. Not sure if it's a cultural thing or what. Beast and pigpen? Why not speak plainly? Are you speaking of the anti-Christ?

As far as Matt. 22 goes it's the call to follow Christ. Some would say that not many are chosen (predestined) to follow God. 

What does fasting for 40 days have to do with fasting for 3.5 years?

God bless,

GE

 

 

No. I am not talking about the antichrist. Saint John,  in first and second John, told us all we need to know about all of the antichrists who were and are all around us continually.. 

 

Plainly.. while every one is content lounging in their paneled houses talking about Christ and God there are those who know that very shortly everyone will be delivered into the field by force. So rather than wait until they are forced out. They are preparing faith in the Lord alone now so that they will be able to help in the time of great trouble that is coming quickly like labor pains on a pregnant woman.

 

Yes it is time to rebuild the temple.

 

20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, 

21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 

22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.  (Ephesians 2)

 

4 "Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses, and this temple to lie in ruins?"  ( Haggai 1 )

 

10 Be in pain, and labor to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, Like a woman in birth pangs. For now you shall go forth from the city, You shall dwell in the field, And to Babylon you shall go. There you shall be delivered; There the Lord will redeem you From the hand of your enemies.   ( Micah 40 )

 

3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.  ( 1 Thessalonians 5 )

 

8 Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, She gave birth to her children. 

9 Shall I bring to the time of birth, and not cause delivery?" says the Lord. "Shall I who cause delivery shut up the womb?" says your God. ( Isaiah 66 )

[hamletcat]

I am really new to studying the bible, and I would probably have to consider myself a "born again" Christian because my parents were atheists. But the interesting thing about this is that I asked one of the ministers at my church a question about this topic. So this is what I think based on what he said.

The power of the Holy Spirit is strongest when you are in the presence of believers, and these people are often found in churches. So if you are struggling to maintain the power of the Holy Spirit within you, then being "near people" is better than being alone. The very essence of the kingdom of god, requires the unity of the Holy Spirit within all man. In other words, you can't build the kingdom of god by yourself.

When you are alone, you are at very high risk for spiritual death, which can ultimately lead to physical death. The Holy Spirit being most powerful when man is physically together with other man. However if you need to strengthen the presence of the Holy Spirit within yourself then being alone one of the best ways to do that. Satan is most powerful when you are either alone or in a group of non-believers. However, even amongst non-believers the Holy Spirit can easily be conjured if you as the believer, knows how to do that. It might be harder to conjure the power of the Holy Spirit by yourself. You would have to rely 100% on your relationship with god to be able to do that on your own. I have never tried it myself, but I can't imagine it would be easy and I think that is why Jesus did it, to strength the Holy Spirit within himself, without having to rely on the unity of man. On the other hand when Moses fled into the wilderness after murdering the Egyptian, he may have learned how to conjure the Holy Spirit through the experience, which gave him the strength to go back to Egypt to free the slaves.

I am not sure if my opinion is reasonable, but that is my understanding based on the response my minister gave me. I just hope my response make some sense.

Edited November 14, 2014 by hamletcat

[Guest]

.... I asked one of the ministers at my church a question about this topic. So this is what I think based on what he said.

The power of the Holy Spirit is strongest when you are in the presence of believers, and these people are often found in churches. So if you are struggling to maintain the power of the Holy Spirit within you, then being "near people" is better than being alone. The very essence of the kingdom of god, requires the unity of the Holy Spirit within all man. In other words, you can't build the kingdom of god by yourself.

When you are alone, you are at very high risk for spiritual death, which can ultimately lead to physical death. The Holy Spirit being most powerful when man is physically together with other man. However if you need to strengthen the presence of the Holy Spirit within yourself then being alone one of the best ways to do that. Satan is most powerful when you are either alone or in a group of non-believers. However, even amongst non-believers the Holy Spirit can easily be conjured if you as the believer, knows how to do that. It might be harder to conjure the power of the Holy Spirit by yourself. You would have to rely 100% on your relationship with god to be able to do that on your own. I have never tried it myself, but I can't imagine it would be easy and I think that is why Jesus did it, to strength the Holy Spirit within himself, without having to rely on the unity of man. On the other hand when Moses fled into the wilderness after murdering the Egyptian, he may have learned how to conjure the Holy Spirit through the experience, which gave him the strength to go back to Egypt to free the slaves.

I am not sure if my opinion is reasonable, but that is my understanding based on the response my minister gave me. I just hope my response make some sense.

 

 

Dead Or Alive

 

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. Job 13:15

 

Jesus Is Mine

 

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

 

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 1:24-25

[KPaulG]

 

3. Elijah (1 Kings 19)

 

Here's how I see Elijah & 1 Kings 19

 

*Elijah – flees Jezebel into the wilderness due to fear (1 Kings 19), not being led by God’s Spirit

Elijah had a “mountain top” experience as he had just defeated the prophets of Baal at Mt. Carmel. God’s fire descended from the heavens, the people of Israel acknowledged the Lord, and Elijah put to death all the false prophets. Jezebel, the wicked queen of Israel, sent word to Elijah that she planned on taking his life.

After this thread comes the “valley” experience for Elijah. Elijah was afraid and ran for his life. God provided miraculously for Elijah food and water for a journey for 40 days and 40 nights to the mount of God or Horeb.  (1 Kings 19:1-8)

 

Then Elijah complains not once but twice about how much he’d done for God, how the people of Israel were wicked breaking God’s covenant, and seeking his life. Elijah goes onto say he was the only one left as all prophets were killed by the sword. God instructs Elijah of his duties including the appointment of new kings (Syra & Israel) by telling him, among other things, to appoint Elisha as God’s future replacement as prophet. (1 Kings 19:9-18)

Elijah thought he was the only faithful servant of the Lord left. Yet God chose Elisha for Elijah to mentor. On top of that God promised to spare 7,000 in Israel who had not bowed to or kissed Baal. (1 Ki. 19:18)

Thoughts?

God bless,

GE

 

 

I heard that story in Kid's world a year ago.

[crochetlady]

There are a couple of posts I'd like to comment about -- GoldenEagle was talking about fasting / 40 days or so / with no food or water.  For one thing it isn't healthy.  The body Needs water  on a regular basis.  You'd commented that it was really the 'flesh' talking.  That if God were to chose one of His elect to do so - they Could  -- well -- yes, but Jesus Christ was the only one who sustained for 40 days in the wilderness and withstood satan's temptations --  and then you commented about the 3 1/2 years -- the Great Tribulation period.   Born again believers won't be around for that time.  They'll be with Christ. 

   But are we really supposed to challenge God with our attempts to show super spirituality or whatever it is that you'd be trying to do?

 

 

Fresno Joe

 

The strength of the Holy Spirit?  Being alone is putting yourself at high risk for spiritual Death?   

   The Holy Spirit comes to indwell a person at the moment of salvation -- He never leaves us until we are with Christ.  A person receives spiritual Life upon salvation / the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Gives us spiritual life.