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[missmuffet]

First of all we will not be like the angels as resurrected saints.

[Serving]

Flesh is lower than Spirit

 

Psalms 8:5
    For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

 

As is stated

 

2 Peter 2:11
    Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

 

Angels can even appear as flesh

 

Hebrews 13:2
    Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

 

Which is not the same nature as spirit

 

Hebrews 2:16
    For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

 

The resurrected will not only be as the angels

 

Mark 12:25
    For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

 

The resurrected will be equal to the angels

 

Luke 20:36
    Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

And if equal, we become the SAME.

 

 

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

 

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

 

It is this simple .. God only created TWO types of creatures ..

 

 

One group is made up of flesh : Humans & all other living animals in the material (corruptible) realm.

 

 

Corruptible means finite, being in a state of decline leading to death which is confirmed by the most concrete, observable and testable law / fact being established and non contestable ruling over the laws of the material realm 

 

 

The other is made up of spirit (God & His Son & the angels).

 

 

Incorruptible means eternal and not subject to the laws of the material realm. To exist in this realm, one must inherit the attributes of said realm to be subject to said realms governing laws .. being .. eternal and non corruptible .. whose primary attribute is SPIRIT.

 

 

Any other condition is merely the product of men's imaginations and not scripturally sound nor reliable.  

 

 

Flesh or Spirit .. Mortal or immortal .. period.

 

 

Two types of being.

 

 

So very simple.

 

 

God bless.

 

 

 

 

 

[Enoch2021]

Flesh is lower than Spirit

 

Psalms 8:5

    For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

 

As is stated

 

2 Peter 2:11

    Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

 

Angels can even appear as flesh

 

Hebrews 13:2

    Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

 

Which is not the same nature as spirit

 

Hebrews 2:16

    For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

 

The resurrected will not only be as the angels

 

Mark 12:25

    For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

 

The resurrected will be equal to the angels

 

Luke 20:36

    Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

And if equal, we become the SAME.

 

 

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

 

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

 

It is this simple .. God only created TWO types of creatures ..

 

 

One group is made up of flesh : Humans & all other living animals in the material (corruptible) realm.

 

 

Corruptible means finite, being in a state of decline leading to death which is confirmed by the most concrete, observable and testable law / fact being established and non contestable ruling over the laws of the material realm 

 

 

The other is made up of spirit (God & His Son & the angels).

 

 

Incorruptible means eternal and not subject to the laws of the material realm. To exist in this realm, one must inherit the attributes of said realm to be subject to said realms governing laws .. being .. eternal and non corruptible .. whose primary attribute is SPIRIT.

 

 

Any other condition is merely the product of men's imaginations and not scripturally sound nor reliable.  

 

 

Flesh or Spirit .. Mortal or immortal .. period.

 

 

Two types of being.

 

 

So very simple.

 

 

God bless.

 

 

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The resurrected will be equal to the angels

 

Luke 20:36

    Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

And if equal, we become the SAME.

 

 

 

(1 Corinthians 6:1-3) "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?  {2} Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?  {3} Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" 

 

How can we be the same...if we judge them?

 

Luke 20:36 is comparing the Immortality of Angels and the Resurrected as on equal footing.  Most likely referring to the Spiritual Bodies that we will possess.

 

Or are you just emphasizing the Physical Likeness and not any Hierarchical Structure? 

[metrick2014]

Thank you OneLight for the advice. I'm always careful of what I accept as truth and I always consider the source and compare everything I consider to be worthy of acceptance to Gods word. But I do appreciate your concern. Thank you.

Greetings Qwikphilly. I can appreciate the zeal you expressed in stating Jesus is up. I like to believe that He is everywhere. The up I was referring to was from the debate post. That " God is up in heaven." I was trying to understand what up represents. Is it in relationship to the earth or just a word used to express way out there somewhere. I think it would difficult to orient what is up and down , east or west etc. In space and was asking if anyone may know what " up " is in relation to. The Earth or what. Maybe I should have clarified. But thank you for your comment.

Jesus is Lord

[WilliamL]

Just catching up after becoming stuffed as a turkey...

 

As to the question of wherefrom the saints will reign, (one of the) heaven(s) or earth...why not both? (According to the Hebraic sages, each level of heaven has its own throne.)

There is no reason to believe that some of us will not have the same ability to come and go from heaven like Jesus did and will. Whether or not a resurrected one does so, or not, is more likely to be a matter of calling and choice, rather than a lack of ability.

 

As to the state of our resurrected body as compared to angels: ours will be superior, because angels never became incarnate by nature. The physical bodies the ministering angels occasionally took, and those of the fallen angels who intermarried with humans, were akin to garments; rather than being part of their created nature, like the bodies of the children of Adam.

 

Hebr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

 

Only the children of Adam were given dominion over the earth, the one place wherein souls are able to incarnate. This is both a greater honor, and a greater responsibility, than any given to the ministering spirits, regardless of their initially greater power. A greater responsibility implies a greater potential reward.

Edited November 30, 2014 by WilliamL

[Serving]

 

Flesh is lower than Spirit

 

Psalms 8:5

    For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

 

As is stated

 

2 Peter 2:11

    Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

 

Angels can even appear as flesh

 

Hebrews 13:2

    Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

 

Which is not the same nature as spirit

 

Hebrews 2:16

    For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

 

The resurrected will not only be as the angels

 

Mark 12:25

    For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

 

The resurrected will be equal to the angels

 

Luke 20:36

    Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

And if equal, we become the SAME.

 

 

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

 

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

 

It is this simple .. God only created TWO types of creatures ..

 

 

One group is made up of flesh : Humans & all other living animals in the material (corruptible) realm.

 

 

Corruptible means finite, being in a state of decline leading to death which is confirmed by the most concrete, observable and testable law / fact being established and non contestable ruling over the laws of the material realm 

 

 

The other is made up of spirit (God & His Son & the angels).

 

 

Incorruptible means eternal and not subject to the laws of the material realm. To exist in this realm, one must inherit the attributes of said realm to be subject to said realms governing laws .. being .. eternal and non corruptible .. whose primary attribute is SPIRIT.

 

 

Any other condition is merely the product of men's imaginations and not scripturally sound nor reliable.  

 

 

Flesh or Spirit .. Mortal or immortal .. period.

 

 

Two types of being.

 

 

So very simple.

 

 

God bless.

 

 

==========================================================================================================

 

 

The resurrected will be equal to the angels

 

Luke 20:36

    Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

And if equal, we become the SAME.

 

 

 

(1 Corinthians 6:1-3) "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?  {2} Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?  {3} Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" 

 

How can we be the same...if we judge them?

 

Luke 20:36 is comparing the Immortality of Angels and the Resurrected as on equal footing.  Most likely referring to the Spiritual Bodies that we will possess.

 

Or are you just emphasizing the Physical Likeness and not any Hierarchical Structure? 

 

 

Hi Enoch,

 

 

I'm not speaking of hierarchial structure but that the resurrected will be the same as the angels physically (spirit creatures) .. in reply to bopeep's statement.

 

 

God bless.

[seandavids]

 

Serving ... please offer up something for discussion and not just teaching.  This site is a discussion forum, not a platform to teach.  Is there a specific question you would like to ask, or something you would like to discuss?

Hi One Light,

 

I'd like to know how many people believe there will be both a spiritual & a physical side to the millennial kingdom ..  

 

Cheers.

 

great post! I'm not sure why more Christians don't understand that the blink of an eye transformation makes us like the angels, spiritual beings that will be just as mysterious as the angels are intodays world, ministering to those who will inherit salvation, while God finishes the prophecies that we see plainly in scripture

[Serving]

Hi William L,

 

 

 

As to the question of wherefrom the saints will reign, (one of the) heaven(s) or earth...why not both? (According to the Hebraic sages, each level of heaven has its own throne.)

 

 

 

I believe the saints will reign on the earth for the millennium period because of this : Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

 

 

There is no reason to believe that some of us will not have the same ability to come and go from heaven like Jesus did and will. Whether or not a resurrected one does so, or not, is more likely to be a matter of calling and choice, rather than a lack of ability.

 

 

 

Yes I've thought on that too .. there is no reason it can't happen .. only some personal opinions as to why it might not happen .. wiiiith .. leanings towards it still probably will.

 

 

 

As to the state of our resurrected body as compared to angels: ours will be superior, because angels never became incarnate by nature. The physical bodies the ministering angels occasionally took, and those of the fallen angels who intermarried with humans, were akin to garments; rather than being part of their created nature, like the bodies of the children of Adam.

 

 

 

 

Hmm .. I'd disagree here.

 

 

Scripture does say : Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

 

I do not believe the "equal" declaration is merely to do with not dying anymore (like the angels) argument, I believe the saints will be given varying abilities just like the angels obviously have, some greater than others .. by God's choice of course.

 

 

Remember this parable :  Matthew 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

 

 

Just imagine for a moment .. imagine an angel complaining and saying those words .. (he wouldn't of course, this is just for arguments sake) ..

 

 

Could you imagine any reason why our imaginary angel would almost be excused for grumbling those words?

 

 

I could ..

 

 

Imagine being a holy angel having to witness all the death and suffering .. seeing beloved human brethren oppressed & killed .. having to stand by and watch over and over for the last 2000 odd years as the wicked over and over have their way with the beloved human brethren (speaking percentages here .. God is still the decision maker as to who & when & "what"  happens to His saints whilst in this wicked world of course) .. imagine the strength needed to "stand down" and watch a beloved human brethren be tortured and killed when as an angel, the power to act is available .. but yet .. restrained .. that would be very hard from a human perspective not to intervene .. and the angels do have emotions still .. even Jesus cried before raising Lazarus!  

 

 

So with that in mind,  I can not agree with all of the below either : 

 

 

Only the children of Adam were given dominion over the earth, the one place wherein souls are able to incarnate. This is both a greater honor, and a greater responsibility, than any given to the ministering spirits, regardless of their initially greater power. A greater responsibility implies a greater potential reward.

 

 

 

But the angels have great responsibilities too .. they are working too .. how much sorrow and grief they must be witness to that we only read about in the news (if at all) .. we shouldn't compare who has the greater responsibility when none of us humans have even seen a millionth of what the angels have had to see and accept, in my opinion.  

 

 

Though I do agree with greater potential rewards .. just as one star differs from another in glory .. and angels too having differing abilities .. some greater .. some less .. I have no problem with that .. just like :  

 

 

Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

 

That was just off the top of my head .. there are more of course ..

 

God bless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Serving]

 

 

Serving ... please offer up something for discussion and not just teaching.  This site is a discussion forum, not a platform to teach.  Is there a specific question you would like to ask, or something you would like to discuss?

Hi One Light,

 

I'd like to know how many people believe there will be both a spiritual & a physical side to the millennial kingdom ..  

 

Cheers.

 

great post! I'm not sure why more Christians don't understand that the blink of an eye transformation makes us like the angels, spiritual beings that will be just as mysterious as the angels are intodays world, ministering to those who will inherit salvation, while God finishes the prophecies that we see plainly in scripture

 

 

Thanks seandavid,

 

Well, I understand where you're coming from, but as you'd know, many are just taught otherwise , or love & respect someone or something too much to go against their beliefs .. or are happy with letting someone else teach them what to think and believe (spiritual laziness) .. and some might be scared of getting kicked out churches or shunned by brethren etc etc ..

 

But at the same time .. many are probably thinking the same about our understanding on this .. lol .. one day we will all see eye to eye .. until then .. there is a battle going on that's for sure.

 

God bless.  

[seandavids]

 

 

 

Serving ... please offer up something for discussion and not just teaching.  This site is a discussion forum, not a platform to teach.  Is there a specific question you would like to ask, or something you would like to discuss?

Hi One Light,

 

I'd like to know how many people believe there will be both a spiritual & a physical side to the millennial kingdom ..  

 

Cheers.

 

great post! I'm not sure why more Christians don't understand that the blink of an eye transformation makes us like the angels, spiritual beings that will be just as mysterious as the angels are intodays world, ministering to those who will inherit salvation, while God finishes the prophecies that we see plainly in scripture

 

 

Thanks seandavid,

 

Well, I understand where you're coming from, but as you'd know, many are just taught otherwise , or love & respect someone or something too much to go against their beliefs .. or are happy with letting someone else teach them what to think and believe (spiritual laziness) .. and some might be scared of getting kicked out churches or shunned by brethren etc etc ..

 

But at the same time .. many are probably thinking the same about our understanding on this .. lol .. one day we will all see eye to eye .. until then .. there is a battle going on that's for sure.

 

God bless.  

 

I base my beliefs on what Jesus says, if He says we will be like the angels in the resurrection then we will be like the angels

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