Who Populates the Millennial Kingdom?

[S.T. Ranger]

The way I see it from God's Word is the New Jerusalem on earth with the unjust outside its gates like Rev.22:14-15 reveals, WITH God's River of the Waters of Life and Tree of Life manifested per that Scripture.

Hi Salty,

Had you thought regarding the New Jerusalem that the glory of God shines through it, & the nations walk in its light.

`And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, & the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it;.....` (Rev. 21: 23 & 24)

So how is the world going to receive the light from the New Jerusalem? The earth revolves as we know for `day & night,` thus the `light` would have to be in the heavenlies above the earth for the world to `walk in the light of it.`Marilyn.

Not sure I would conclude there will be no stellar bodies, as this refers to New Jerusalem. Could you expand on this?

 

Sure S.T. Ranger,

I do see that there will be other stellar bodies in the New heavens. I just was referring to the New Jerusalem which descends out of heaven & to my understanding is located in the heavenlies. This is the `principalities & powers` area which involves the governing & influencing of the earth.

The `Bride` symbol depicts for us the uniting, joining of the spiritual & physical realms, where God`s glory can shine through, for rulership & blessings.

Marilyn.

Hmm, lol, not sure I could say that entirely.

I simply see New Jerusalem as that place built by Christ for believers, and that it will be in the new creation. I don't necessarily see it as a new place for God, because I see that God will always have His realm, which is Heaven, and will not displace Himself from His realm to live in a physical creation. God will be there, that is true, but that was the objective in the Garden. God also dwelt among man there, and this communion and relationship was ended by sin.

So the new heavens and earth will be the eventual result of God's first creation of man and this universe, the inhabitants being those refined through fire, so to speak.

New Jerusalem will not hover, in my view, bridging Heaven and the earth, but will be a part of the new creation which will be what God had in mind in the first place, which of course He knew that sin would corrupt and it would be necessary to make men suitable for eternal communion. So while there will be, I believe, a new heaven at that point, there will not be a new Heaven.

And if we think about it, this type of creative process is not the first, because we have the Angels preceding us in a creative act followed by a separation of wicked and righteous. Who knows but that God may once again create and refine for His Eternal purpose a people who differs from us just as we differ from Angels (and demons), lol.

Perhaps that should go in the Controversial section, lol. But as I said, that is just speculation.

God bless.

[Salty]

Once again, it's bad enough that those on the Pre-trib secret Rapture haven't studied the Ezekiel 40 thru 47 chapter layout for Christ's future Millennial reign on earth with His elect, but it's even worse when they refuse to address it once it's been pointed out to them and by their continuation instead on a myth devised by men's doctrines that Christ's reign is going to be somewhere else other than what God said in that Ezekiel Scripture. It's no wonder why the Pre-trib school often teaches its believers that what was written back in the Old Testament Books has already been fulfilled and like dead history.

[Marilyn C]

Hi Salty,

 

I am visiting a friend for the week-end but will get to your questions. I don`t like people just jumping over my posts or not answering either. So be patient & I will reply.

 

Marilyn. 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, S.T. Ranger, Marilyn, and Salty.

 

 

Hmm, lol, not sure I could say that entirely.

I simply see New Jerusalem as that place built by Christ for believers, and that it will be in the new creation. I don't necessarily see it as a new place for God, because I see that God will always have His realm, which is Heaven, and will not displace Himself from His realm to live in a physical creation. God will be there, that is true, but that was the objective in the Garden. God also dwelt among man there, and this communion and relationship was ended by sin.

So the new heavens and earth will be the eventual result of God's first creation of man and this universe, the inhabitants being those refined through fire, so to speak.

New Jerusalem will not hover, in my view, bridging Heaven and the earth, but will be a part of the new creation which will be what God had in mind in the first place, which of course He knew that sin would corrupt and it would be necessary to make men suitable for eternal communion. So while there will be, I believe, a new heaven at that point, there will not be a new Heaven.

And if we think about it, this type of creative process is not the first, because we have the Angels preceding us in a creative act followed by a separation of wicked and righteous. Who knows but that God may once again create and refine for His Eternal purpose a people who differs from us just as we differ from Angels (and demons), lol.

Perhaps that should go in the Controversial section, lol. But as I said, that is just speculation.


God bless.

 

 

Be careful coming to general conclusions from details that are meant to be specifics. Just because THEY within the city don’t need the light of the sun and the moon doesn’t mean that everybody on earth won’t need them! To the contrary, one should remember that we also have information in the Scriptures that the “sun, the moon, and the earth abide forever!"

 

Psalm 72:1-20

1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.

2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.

3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.

4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.

5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.

6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.

7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.

8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.

9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.

10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.

11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.

13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.

14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.

15 And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised.

16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.

17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.

19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen.

20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.

KJV

 

Psalm 89:15-37

15 Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of thy countenance.

16 In thy name shall they rejoice all the day: and in thy righteousness shall they be exalted.

17 For thou art the glory of their strength: and in thy favour our horn shall be exalted.

18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.

19 Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.

20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:

21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.

22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.

23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.

24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.

25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.

26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven (the sky).

30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.

34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

36 His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.

37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven (a fixed star in the sky). Selah.

KJV

 

Ecclesiastes 1:4

4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

KJV

 

Isaiah 24:23

23 Then the moon shall be confounded (mixed up), and the sun ashamed (outdone), when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

KJV

 

Make no mistake. God shall preserve our planet, although He shall burn off the corruption on its surface. The earth is 24,902 miles in circumference and weighs 6.66 sextillion tons! The surface - the crust - of the earth is only 5 miles thick! And, we as the human race have only scratched the surface of the earth ... LITERALLY! Why should He destroy the whole planet for the likes of us?! That makes NO sense! He didn’t destroy the whole planet when He destroyed those who lived from Adam to Noach. He only washed them away ... again, LITERALLY! Why should He do any different when He destroys this civilization in the Fire He sends?

 

Furthermore, this last verse talks about the sun being outdone by the glory of the LORD of hosts (YHWH Tsva’ot) and the moon mixed up (in its phases) by that same glory.

 

And, here’s one more passage that shouldn’t be ignored:

 

Isaiah 66:22-23

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

KJV

 

The “sabbath” or “Shabbat” is from sundown on Friday night to sundown on Saturday night. That’s rather hard to keep track if there is no sun to which the earth would rotate making a “sundown!"

 

The “Row’sh Chodesh” is when the moon is at perigee to the sun, from earth’s perspective. That is, it is zero degrees different, That’s rather hard to do if there is no sun or moon!

 

Now, regarding Yerushalayim haChadashah, the New Jerusalem, we are told WITH ALL CERTAINTY that the New Jerusalem LANDS on the New Earth. Indeed, because it is called “Yerushalayim,” it will probably be located at the same coordinates as the old Jerusalem. It will, however, be MUCH bigger, covering almost all of Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, half of Saudi Arabia, and part of Iran! It will also extend over half of the Mediterranean Sea! Because of its sheer weight, it will displace much if not all of the surrounding seas, including the WHOLE of the Mediterranean Sea, flattening several mountain chains under it and pushing up new mountain ranges around it! It will be the highest mountain on the planet as well as the city!

 

Thus, we have other verses that come into play:

 

Psalm 48:1-2

1 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.

2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the (aligned with) north, the city of the great King.

KJV

 

Hebrews 12:22-24

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

KJV

 

Think about it: a pyramid-shaped city 1500 miles high? That would be the MOUNTAIN of all mountains!

 

Finally, if the throne of God is in the pinnacle of the city - the city’s CAPSTONE or “head stone of the corner” - then its pinnacle would be visible from the top of Norway to the middle of Zimbabwe, from the western side of Morocco to the middle of Tibet! The light of that city will be seen from MUCH farther away, just as the light of the rising sun is visible far earlier than the actual sunrise! And, since it is a light that outshines the sun, it will play havoc with the phases of the moon!

 

P. S. - Shalom, Salty.

 

You said, “Once again, it's bad enough that those on the Pre-trib secret Rapture haven't studied the Ezekiel 40 thru 47 chapter layout for Christ's future Millennial reign on earth with His elect, but it's even worse when they refuse to address it once it's been pointed out to them and by their continuation instead on a myth devised by men's doctrines that Christ's reign is going to be somewhere else other than what God said in that Ezekiel Scripture. It's no wonder why the Pre-trib school often teaches its believers that what was written back in the Old Testament Books has already been fulfilled and like dead history."

 

I agree with you, brother; however, SOME of the prophecies HAVE been fulfilled. While there are portions, larger or smaller, in each prophetic book that have yet to be fulfilled, one must understand that some of them are done and are strictly for “our admonition, upon whom the ends of the age have come.” (1 Cor. 10:11) They are the PROOF that God keeps His promises in the prophecies that He has had His messengers speak and write.

[Salty]

 

P. S. - Shalom, Salty.

 

You said, “Once again, it's bad enough that those on the Pre-trib secret Rapture haven't studied the Ezekiel 40 thru 47 chapter layout for Christ's future Millennial reign on earth with His elect, but it's even worse when they refuse to address it once it's been pointed out to them and by their continuation instead on a myth devised by men's doctrines that Christ's reign is going to be somewhere else other than what God said in that Ezekiel Scripture. It's no wonder why the Pre-trib school often teaches its believers that what was written back in the Old Testament Books has already been fulfilled and like dead history."

 

I agree with you, brother; however, SOME of the prophecies HAVE been fulfilled. While there are portions, larger or smaller, in each prophetic book that have yet to be fulfilled, one must understand that some of them are done and are strictly for “our admonition, upon whom the ends of the age have come.” (1 Cor. 10:11) They are the PROOF that God keeps His promises in the prophecies that He has had His messengers speak and write.

 

 

Yes, of course I'm aware that quite a lot of Old Testament prophecy has already been fulfilled. But a lot of it too still has not yet been fulfilled also, which was my point.

 

Not only that, but when reading some passages within a chapter in the OT prophets, a majority of verses can be shown fulfilled, while certain verses within have never been fulfilled to this day. It's almost as if our Lord was testing us to see if we will pay attention and note those singular verse sections, or even sometimes specific parameters within a prophecy still yet to be fulfilled. Instead what most tend to do is read enough in the prophets that they know has been fulfilled already, and then stop, and assume everything else written that follows was already fulfilled too. Big... mistake to do that. God's Word often reads like a technical manual; i.e., leave just one step out and the whole machine goes out of kilter.

[Marilyn C]

 

 

The way I see it from God's Word is the New Jerusalem on earth with the unjust outside its gates like Rev.22:14-15 reveals, WITH God's River of the Waters of Life and Tree of Life manifested per that Scripture.

Hi Salty,

 

Had you thought regarding the New Jerusalem that the glory of God shines through it, & the nations walk in its light.

 

`And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, & the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it;.....` (Rev. 21: 23 & 24)

 

So how is the world going to receive the light from the New Jerusalem? The earth revolves as we know for `day & night,` thus the `light` would have to be in the heavenlies above the earth for the world to `walk in the light of it.`

 

Marilyn.

 

 

There is a reason why our Lord Jesus named the place of separation outside the holy city the "outer darkness" ya know (Matt.8:12; Matt.22:13; Matt.25:30). That's for His Millennium reign on earth also.

 

Sorry, but the Pre-trib Rapture theory's idea of Christ's Millennium reign with His elect up in the clouds somewhere off the earth is just a myth, nothing more. It goes completely against God's Word in Ezekiel 40 forward where He showed us the specific details of the Millennium layout in the Middle East on earth, WITH... His River and the tree of life manifested there.

 

Ezekiel 47

⁸ Then said He unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

⁹ And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

¹⁰ And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

¹¹ But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.

¹² And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

 

Hi Salty,

 

I don`t quite understand your logic. Are you saying that everything outside the city is outer darkness & so meaning that the rest of the earth is outer darkness? Are all God`s people just in the city & not able to use the rest of the earth? I`m sure you can explain for me.

 

Marilyn.

 

 

[Salty]

 

 

 

The way I see it from God's Word is the New Jerusalem on earth with the unjust outside its gates like Rev.22:14-15 reveals, WITH God's River of the Waters of Life and Tree of Life manifested per that Scripture.

Hi Salty,

 

Had you thought regarding the New Jerusalem that the glory of God shines through it, & the nations walk in its light.

 

`And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, & the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it;.....` (Rev. 21: 23 & 24)

 

So how is the world going to receive the light from the New Jerusalem? The earth revolves as we know for `day & night,` thus the `light` would have to be in the heavenlies above the earth for the world to `walk in the light of it.`

 

Marilyn.

 

 

There is a reason why our Lord Jesus named the place of separation outside the holy city the "outer darkness" ya know (Matt.8:12; Matt.22:13; Matt.25:30). That's for His Millennium reign on earth also.

 

Sorry, but the Pre-trib Rapture theory's idea of Christ's Millennium reign with His elect up in the clouds somewhere off the earth is just a myth, nothing more. It goes completely against God's Word in Ezekiel 40 forward where He showed us the specific details of the Millennium layout in the Middle East on earth, WITH... His River and the tree of life manifested there.

 

Ezekiel 47

⁸ Then said He unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

⁹ And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

¹⁰ And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

¹¹ But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.

¹² And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

 

Hi Salty,

 

I don`t quite understand your logic. Are you saying that everything outside the city is outer darkness & so meaning that the rest of the earth is outer darkness? Are all God`s people just in the city & not able to use the rest of the earth? I`m sure you can explain for me.

 

Marilyn.

 

 

 

Revelation 22

¹⁴ Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

¹⁵ For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

Don't know what you're driving at Marilyn, because I'm pretty certain you are at least a little bit familar with the events of Rev.20 about Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect.

 

The above Rev.22:14-15 verses are specifically about that time of Christ's "thousand years" reign. That establishes the existence of the holy city on earth at that time with a point of separation, the "gates into the city". It also establishes "the tree of life" being there also. And also, it establishes the wicked being there also but outside... those "gates". We know that is Millennial timing, because after the "thousand years" the wicked are tested with Satan's final loosing, and then God's Great White Throne Judgment, with death, hell, and the wicked, cast into the "lake of fire".

 

Matthew 8

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

That is about those of Israel that reject Christ Jesus. That place of separation outside the "gates" of the holy city on earth is that "outer darkness".

 

Matthew 22

11 And when the king came in to see the guests , he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?" And he was speechless .

13 Then said the king to the servants, "Bind him hand and foot, and take him away , and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

Matthew 25

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given , and he shall have abundance : but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath .

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

Same idea, a place of separation for those of Rev.22:15 Jesus called the "outer darkness".

 

In Revelation 20 immediately after Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect, we are shown Satan going out to deceive the nations that are "in the four quarters of the earth", then their going "up on the breadth of the earth" to the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" to try and destroy. Then The Father rains fire down out of Heaven upon them per that Revelation 20:9 verse.

 

So where do you... think Christ's elect will live upon the earth in that "camp of the saints"? If you study through those Ezekiel 40 through 47 chapters, you might just find that out. I'm not going to do that for you.

[Marilyn C]

 

 

The way I see it from God's Word is the New Jerusalem on earth with the unjust outside its gates like Rev.22:14-15 reveals, WITH God's River of the Waters of Life and Tree of Life manifested per that Scripture.

Hi Salty,

 

Had you thought regarding the New Jerusalem that the glory of God shines through it, & the nations walk in its light.

 

`And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, & the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it;.....` (Rev. 21: 23 & 24)

 

So how is the world going to receive the light from the New Jerusalem? The earth revolves as we know for `day & night,` thus the `light` would have to be in the heavenlies above the earth for the world to `walk in the light of it.`

 

Marilyn.

 

 

There is a reason why our Lord Jesus named the place of separation outside the holy city the "outer darkness" ya know (Matt.8:12; Matt.22:13; Matt.25:30). That's for His Millennium reign on earth also.

 

Sorry, but the Pre-trib Rapture theory's idea of Christ's Millennium reign with His elect up in the clouds somewhere off the earth is just a myth, nothing more. It goes completely against God's Word in Ezekiel 40 forward where He showed us the specific details of the Millennium layout in the Middle East on earth, WITH... His River and the tree of life manifested there.

 

Ezekiel 47

⁸ Then said He unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

⁹ And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

¹⁰ And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

¹¹ But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.

¹² And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

 

Hi Salty,

 

I read again Ezekiel 40 - 47 & to me that is describing the temple on earth in the Millennium & the living waters flowing out from the sanctuary to bring healing to the polluted waters & the earth, after the great tribulation. It is similar to the description in Revelation 22 & really just a foretaste of that wonderful time in the New Jerusalem in the New Heavens & New Earth after the Millennium.

 

The differences are that Ezekiel describes a temple on earth whereas the New Jerusalem does not have a physical temple, plus the timing is different - one during the Millennium & the other after the Millennium.

 

I see your other question - `Where do you .... think Christ`s elect will live upon the earth in that `camp of the saints?`

 

Christ`s elect will live in Jerusalem as the scriptures tell us, & they will teach the nations of His ways. (Isa. 2: 1 - 4) However you are muddling up who are Christ`s elect. You seem to think that we, the Body of Christ are the centre of God`s purpose & that everything is written about us & what we will do etc. This is clearly not so. Christ is the centre of everything & He has purposes for the 3 groups - the Body of Christ, Israel & the Nations. Israel is also called God`s elect.

 

`Israel will be saved....concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers, for the gifts & callings of God are irrevocable.` (Romans 11: 26, 28 & 29)

 

Marilyn.

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2015 by Marilyn C

[Salty]

 

Hi Salty,

 

I read again Ezekiel 40 - 47 & to me that is describing the temple on earth in the Millennium & the living waters flowing out from the sanctuary to bring healing to the polluted waters & the earth, after the great tribulation. It is similar to the description in Revelation 22 & really just a foretaste of that wonderful time in the New Jerusalem in the New Heavens & New Earth after the Millennium.

 

The differences are that Ezekiel describes a temple on earth whereas the New Jerusalem does not have a physical temple, plus the timing is different - one during the Millennium & the other after the Millennium.

 

Marilyn.

 

 

 

Actually, the majority of that is... the time of Christ's Millennial reign, for that time is about the temple Ezekiel was given to measure, which is there called God's House. In Rev.22:14-15 (which I've shown many times), the holy city and tree of life are shown manifested on earth along with the wicked outside its gates. So if that is the future new heavens and a new earth timing after the Millennium, then what are the wicked still doing there outside those gates of the city? They are cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of the Millennium, remember? (Rev.20). Recall also per Revelation, that with the new heavens and new earth timing, there will no longer further be need for a temple, thus no more temple of Ezekiel either.

 

Just because that Rev.22:14-15 Scripture is written in the 22nd chapter does not mean it's part of the new heavens and a new earth timing. We must pay attention to the events our Lord Jesus gave us, rightly dividing timelines per His Word based on the type of events.

 

So what that actually reveals, is that with Christ's coming and Millennial reign, SOME healing of this earth is going to begin.

[Marilyn C]

 

Hi Salty,

 

I read again Ezekiel 40 - 47 & to me that is describing the temple on earth in the Millennium & the living waters flowing out from the sanctuary to bring healing to the polluted waters & the earth, after the great tribulation. It is similar to the description in Revelation 22 & really just a foretaste of that wonderful time in the New Jerusalem in the New Heavens & New Earth after the Millennium.

 

The differences are that Ezekiel describes a temple on earth whereas the New Jerusalem does not have a physical temple, plus the timing is different - one during the Millennium & the other after the Millennium.

 

Marilyn.

 

Actually, the majority of that is... the time of Christ's Millennial reign, for that time is about the temple Ezekiel was given to measure, which is there called God's House. In Rev.22:14-15 (which I've shown many times), the holy city and tree of life are shown manifested on earth along with the wicked outside its gates. So if that is the future new heavens and a new earth timing after the Millennium, then what are the wicked still doing there outside those gates of the city? They are cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of the Millennium, remember? (Rev.20). Recall also per Revelation, that with the new heavens and new earth timing, there will no longer further be need for a temple, thus no more temple of Ezekiel either.

 

Just because that Rev.22:14-15 Scripture is written in the 22nd chapter does not mean it's part of the new heavens and a new earth timing. We must pay attention to the events our Lord Jesus gave us, rightly dividing timelines per His Word based on the type of events.

 

So what that actually reveals, is that with Christ's coming and Millennial reign, SOME healing of this earth is going to begin.

 

Hi Salty,

 

The timing -

 

`And I saw a New Heavens & a New Earth, for the first heaven & the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven...` (Rev. 21: 1 & 2)

 

`Then he said to me: "This water flows towards the eastern region, goes down into the valley, & enters the sea. When it reaches the sea, its waters are healed.` (Ez. 47: 8)

 

Notice there, Salty that the waters in the Millennium per Ezekiel are flowing to the sea while we see that in the New Heavens & New Earth there will be NO SEA. Different times & different purposes.

 

Marilyn.