The Great Flood and the Foundations of the Earth

[Esther4:14]

 

Most likely, Atlantis refers to the pre-flood world, not some mythical kingdom. Whomever told Plato the story most likely embellished the information but sadly too many modern people take the ancient's writings as gospel truth instead of placing them in the correct categories covering the literary world.

Scientists can explain many things but that doesn't mean they are correct

I assume you mean unless the ancient writing is in the Bible?  Many folks think the Genesis flood account is a variation of an earlier story the epic of gilgamesh.  

Yes, many have said that the Bible is largely based on much older writings than Moses, i,e. the legends and myths before Israel. 

What they don't know is that when a civilization began to use written languages and codes to record and transfer information, it was a sign that the memory and intellectual powers were weakening. This was one reason God inspired men like Moses to make a written record for future generations, because He knew that the information cannot be entrusted to memory alone. The human intellect would decline with future generations.

So if the Bible was written later than the earlier legends, it proves that the line of Israel was more intelligent than previous generations. This is an argument that we won't hear from the so called 'intelligent' today, because they believe that knowledge and intelligence has progressed and not declined. It is nigh impossible to convince such of the truth. Even Christians say that the ancient peoples like the Jews were primitive, while people today are much brighter, - because they have mobile phones? (To help them find their way and be on time, because they have no proper sense of time, space, events or geography, and their memories are so inadequate that everything has to be stored, in images, sound and text. Have you seen what happens when they lose their phone? They become helpless, lost and frantic.)

You may have heard of a secret book or diary that Noah's wife wrote and kept, which somehow was found by who knows? We know it's fake, because written material was not necessary for these people.

I think your suggestion is very insightful; however, memory development is not much a subject of natural science in modern times.  It does play a significant role in the subject of psychology which I am familiar with, and I look forward to understand the role that memory plays in a historical sense in a greater way.  It is actually a subject of I do a great deal of personal study in.  Memory is a key factor in regard to our intelligence.  So much of what we remember is essential to representing intelligence.  

Therefore, I think that our memory is a significant area of spiritual warfare.  I think the enemy uses many tactics intended to affect our ability to remember.  Maybe, that is a part of deception of the age of information is that there is so much information, that memory retention and critical thinking slow in response that the enemy can use to his advantage; and, you can see where memory becomes more and more important as a spiritual defense when God begins implementing the Old Covenant with the significance of the deliverance from Egypt Israel was supposed to remember in order to prevent them from falling away.  

This change in memory retention might have also been the result of the post flood judgement, "Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” (Genesis 6:3).  The change in the number of years of our life might have changed our capacity for other things pertaining to memory as well that were supplanted with the statutes of the Old Testament Israel was to remember.  

Outside of this I think that firmament plays a significant role in the great flood and the foundations of the earth.  If we could understand the firmament, we could understand the flood; and scientists would get further, faster; if they set the focus on scientific precepts like identifying the firmament.  I do not see why He would not give understanding of the firmament to someone with a pure heart.  The evidence that we do not understand such precepts is evidence that many who pursue scientific endeavors, do so more often out of selfish ambition, than a desire to understand the creator or His creation.  

Peace

Edited October 15, 2015 by Esther4:14

[Kan]

How true.

We don't have to fear the future unless we forget how God has led us in the past.

About the firmament, some thinking people have proposed some sort of water suspended in space around the earth. I have considered it since hearing of it decades ago, but I don't see any reason to believe that all the water came from a garment of water in space. The atmosphere contains billions of mega tonnes of water anyway, which God let fall as rain. The atmosphere may have been different before the flood, and so I have left that theory in the "maybe" file.

There are references in the Bible about "the waters" even before the earth appeared on the scene in creation. The Psalmist also mentions "waters that be above the heavens" or stars. These elements seem to be instrumental in the process of creation, and in the sustenance or operation of the natural universe.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

Yes, many have said that the Bible is largely based on much older writings than Moses, i,e. the legends and myths before Israel. 

What they don't know is that when a civilization began to use written languages and codes to record and transfer information, it was a sign that the memory and intellectual powers were weakening. This was one reason God inspired men like Moses to make a written record for future generations, because He knew that the information cannot be entrusted to memory alone. The human intellect would decline with future generations.

So if the Bible was written later than the earlier legends, it proves that the line of Israel was more intelligent than previous generations. This is an argument that we won't hear from the so called 'intelligent' today, because they believe that knowledge and intelligence has progressed and not declined. It is nigh impossible to convince such of the truth. Even Christians say that the ancient peoples like the Jews were primitive, while people today are much brighter, - because they have mobile phones? (To help them find their way and be on time, because they have no proper sense of time, space, events or geography, and their memories are so inadequate that everything has to be stored, in images, sound and text. Have you seen what happens when they lose their phone? They become helpless, lost and frantic.)

You may have heard of a secret book or diary that Noah's wife wrote and kept, which somehow was found by who knows? We know it's fake, because written material was not necessary for these people.

Try as I will, I cannot get the underlined sentences  (in blue) to make sense. 

You are certainly not the only one. Is it the way I put it or the concept itself?

Let me put into my own words what I think you're saying in the underlined passages of your post.  Let's start with Adam and Eve being the parents of all mankind.  So there's a lot of inbreeding going on in the early generations of man.  So instead of each subsequent generation being more intelligent, a dilution of "brain-power" occurs, albeit slowly.  Man slowly loses his superiority in the new hostile world and he doesn't live as long.  In science, we call this the second law of thermodynamics.  Another way of putting this is the law of diminishing returns.

Take a look at the book "Lord of the Flies".  Isn't that much more likely than the next Steve Jobs miraculously showing up in their midst and creating a computer or cell phone, regardless of time allowed?  Isn't it more likely that anarchy would reign, especially without a moral (Judeo/Christian) compass?  This is what I gleaned from what you wrote. 

Something like that, with the exception of inbreeding at the start, which became a problem after the flood and not before. Sin had wrecked the creation of God over time, as it still does.

Breeding with fallen angels was the reason for the flood.  God required a pure line for the Christ.  It's interesting to note that not all races were destroyed by Noah's Flood.  Consider the following:

We read in Gen. 6:4, “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.

We know the races of giants Nephilim, Rephaim, and others survived the Flood, one of whom, Goliath, was slain by David.  Other references to these races can be found in the following:

Source 1

Source 2

[archaeologist55]

This change in memory retention might have also been the result of the post flood judgement, "Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” (Genesis 6:3).  The change in the number of years of our life might have changed our capacity for other things pertaining to memory as well that were supplanted with the statutes of the Old Testament Israel was to remember.  

you read too much into the scriptures and think that man was given a faulty mind. their memories were fine.   you also have no way of verifying the lack of memory in ancient people.

[archaeologist55]

I did not imply that education is ungodly in itself, we should try to be educated, but the systems of education have worldly tendencies in philosophy which deny God as the creator, which we should be cautious of, because they fail to recognize the divine authority of the Bible.

then it is up to the student to appeal to God to lead them to the right knowledge (the truth) instead of sounding off on a discussion board. 

The main point is that when it comes to asking God for answers to questions about nature and our world, He does not discriminate on the basis of our education, He gives freely to all who ask for wisdom, as promised in the Bible - for e.g, in the book of James.

so does he implant in your mind via a miraculous, method the information you want or does he have you study so you can recognize both the truth and the error as wells as learn why it is wrong?  my experience has shown the latter to be true.

 An education in worldly institutions may prevent someone from grasping truths about nature in the Bible, depending on how careful one was to note where there are differences. On the other hand, a Christian is able to take advantage of an education if they are strong.

only if you let them and take your eyes off God. 

[Kan]

Getting away from the antediluvian people and more into line with the geology of the earth...

the foundations of the earth, what are they, and how are they fastened?

That is a question God asked Job in ancient times, chapter 38: 6. (sample) To which he gives many answers, not only to Job, but to Moses, King David, Solomon and many others in the Bible.

The answer as to how they are fastened gives the answer to what they are. 

Maybe you could give us all a demonstration of what the Spirit teaches and what you can work out by an education.

 

 

[archaeologist55]

Getting away from the antediluvian people and more into line with the geology of the earth...

the foundations of the earth, what are they, and how are they fastened?

That is a question God asked Job in ancient times, chapter 38: 6. (sample) To which he gives many answers, not only to Job, but to Moses, King David, Solomon and many others in the Bible.

The answer as to how they are fastened gives the answer to what they are. 

Maybe you could give us all a demonstration of what the Spirit teaches and what you can work out by an education.

 

 

if the Bible doesn't say then it woul dbe pretty hard to answer that question and any information you provide would need to be legitimate, credible and verifiable

[Kan]

Getting away from the antediluvian people and more into line with the geology of the earth...

the foundations of the earth, what are they, and how are they fastened?

That is a question God asked Job in ancient times, chapter 38: 6. (sample) To which he gives many answers, not only to Job, but to Moses, King David, Solomon and many others in the Bible.

The answer as to how they are fastened gives the answer to what they are. 

Maybe you could give us all a demonstration of what the Spirit teaches and what you can work out by an education.

 

if the Bible doesn't say then it woul dbe pretty hard to answer that question and any information you provide would need to be legitimate, credible and verifiable

Yes it would be pretty hard, and I'm not going to show the answers, that would spoil the fun of your discovery.

Ask God to show you.

[archaeologist55]

Getting away from the antediluvian people and more into line with the geology of the earth...

the foundations of the earth, what are they, and how are they fastened?

That is a question God asked Job in ancient times, chapter 38: 6. (sample) To which he gives many answers, not only to Job, but to Moses, King David, Solomon and many others in the Bible.

The answer as to how they are fastened gives the answer to what they are. 

Maybe you could give us all a demonstration of what the Spirit teaches and what you can work out by an education.

 

if the Bible doesn't say then it woul dbe pretty hard to answer that question and any information you provide would need to be legitimate, credible and verifiable

Yes it would be pretty hard, and I'm not going to show the answers, that would spoil the fun of your discovery.

Ask God to show you.

uhm...you are not qualified to give me homework assignments and i forgot about your question the moment after i answered your post.

[Kan]

Understanding what the Bible says about the foundations of the earth opens up a whole book of interesting things that help us to realize how easy it is for God to use nature to accomplish changes such as the flood.

The question is "What is the earth founded on?" (What holds it together?).

Remember James 1:5. I'm not saying that the answers will be found over night, but enjoy the journey if you want to.