the bride of Christ

[Guest shiloh357]

Why does Israel of God include Gentiles???

 

You believe in one true God  but you fail to claim that Jesus is God.   The deity of Jesus is core to the Christian faith.   One cannot be a genuine follower of Jesus reject the deity of Jesus.   If you cannot confess Jesus as God, then yes, I call into question the salvation of those who claim that Jesus was just a man who died for their sins.

[Guest Butero]

I am more than happy to go back and continue disputing with Shiloh over whether or not gentile believers are adopted Jews, but I have to say that Shiloh is correct about faith in Jesus and who he is.  If someone cannot come out and say Jesus Christ is God, they are outside the faith.  Jesus himself stated that before Abraham was, I am.  He made it clear he is God.  I am not going to make any assumptions about where you stand on this InChrist, so I will just ask if you believe Jesus Christ is God?  It does make a difference. 

 

As far as you are concerned Shiloh, I gave you my interpretation of Romans 2:26-29, and I stand by it as being the correct interpretation.  All you did was give your own interpretation that differed from mine, and I don't agree with it. 

[Guest shiloh357]

Yes, Butero, you gave me your interpretation and then you claim you disagree with what I presented but can't really refute it.  I explained why you are wrong.    That's the difference. I can exegete the text and actually form a refutation.

[Guest shiloh357]

No, you didn't answer the question.

 

Asking whether or not you believe Jesus is God is not a trinity issue.   It is a way gauging how you approach other doctrines.    You dance around the question because you don't accept Jesus as God.    A true follower of Jesus would have no problem at any time confessing Jesus as their God.   That you will not directly answer question means that you are hiding the fact you don't accept the deity of Jesus.  

 

if you reject the deity of Jesus then you are actually, "outofChrist."

[Guest shiloh357]

I am not going to discuss theology with someone who doesn't believe in Jesus as God.   We have nothing in common theologically.

[Marilyn C]

The olive tree represents the commonwealth of Israel. The Jews are the branches, not the trunk. God grafted the gentiles into the roots. That's where you always graft a new branch. You don't graft into the other branches. Grafting takes place at the root level and the roots of this tree are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That why Paul said that the wild branches are supported by the root.

Hi Shiloh,

Can I come in on your conversation with Butero? I think we all need to have a good look at this passage in Romans to clear up all the misunderstandings.

`….if the root is holy, so are the branches.

And if some of the branches were broken off, & you being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, & with them became partaker of the root & fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you…..(Rom. 11: 16 – 18)

Now who is the root which is holy?

Who gives the nourishment of the root & fatness?

Who is the one supporting, (the root does the supporting)?

Marilyn.

Edited April 9, 2015 by Marilyn C

[Guest shiloh357]

The root is the patriarchs where the wild branch is grafted into. that is where the nourishment is and it is root that supports wild branches grafted into it.

[Marilyn C]

And scriptures, Shiloh, for them being holy & have the ability to nourish us all & support us all?

[Guest shiloh357]

Again inchrist,   I have nothing to say to you.   You reject the deity of Christ and so I have nothing in common with you theologically.  I am not concerned with what you think about Dispensationalism.  That is neither here nor there.   If you reject the deity of Jesus, you are not a believer.   You might have religion , but you do not have the Christ of Scripture.   You believe in a false Jesus who was just a man and not God.  

 

I can't talk theology with you at all since we start from two different positions on basic theology.  When you get saved and put your faith in the Divine Christ of the Bible, then we might have something to talk about.

[Guest shiloh357]

Hi Marilyn,

 

The root is holy according to Rom.  11:16  We are nourished according to 11:17

 

The root supports us Rom. 11:18