Revelation 10 - the Q'uran?

[Marilyn C]

No Marilyn,

 

The messenger of the covenant mentioned there is the prophet, John the Baptist.  Mal. 3:1-3 is a prophecy of his ministry.   In fact, that is why it is wrong to translate it as "angel."

 

I use the Greek dictionary authored and edited by Spiro Zodihates, an actual Greek scholar.   He points out that it means "of the same kind"   in certain contexts like Rev. 10:1.  The fact is that context determines how we understand a word.   Word usage always trumps word meaning.

 

Sorry, but I am not convinced.   The angel is not Jesus, and there is no reason for me to accept that.  You can keep on believing that if you wish,  I don't really care.  But you will not change my mind.

Hi Shiloh357,

 

`Change your mind` as if, bro. Only the Holy Spirit can do that as we know. I`m just speaking what I believe as you are too. So to continue. You really need to look at what God is saying about those `angels.`

 

`And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight. Behold He is coming` says the Lord of hosts. But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? He is like a refiner`s fire & like fuller`s soap. He will sit as a refiner & a purifier of silver; he will purify the sons of Levi, & purge them as gold & silver, that they may offer to the Lord an offering in righteousness.` (Mal. 3: 1 - 3)

 

All a description of what the Lord Jesus Christ will do. No angel or human could.

 

`And I saw still another mighty angel..........& the angel stood, saying ....I will give power to my two witnesses...` (Rev. 10: 1   11: 1 & 3)

 

Again, only activity & purpose that the Lord Jesus Christ can do. No angel or human could.

 

 

Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

As time progresses, we will see Christians turning more and more to strange doctrines and fables.  So we should not be surprised to encounter a lot of peculiar ideas even on Christian forums.

 

For those who claim that the mighty angel described in Rev 10:1-4 is Christ, the very next two verses demolish that assumption (vv 5,6):  And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

 

This angel is seen lifting up his hand to Heaven (taking an oath) and swearing by none other than God -- "Him that liveth for ever and ever".  Since Christ is God, and this angel is swearing by the Almighty Creator (the triune Godhead),  he cannot possibly be Christ, but a creature who acknowledges the immutable Creator.

Hi Ezra,

 

Yes that is true about more strange doctrines & fables, that is why I like to see what God says about the topic. So here we have - lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever. (Rev. 10: 6)

 

What does God say about that -

 

`Now see that I, even I, am He, & there is no God besides me; I kill & make alive; I wound & I heal; nor is there any who can deliver from my hand. For I LIFT MY HAND TO HEAVEN, & SAY, "AS I LIVE FOREVER, if I whet my glittering sword & my hand takes hold on judgment, I will render vengeance to my enemies, & repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, & my sword shall devour flesh, with the blood of the slain & the captives, from the heads of the leaders of the enemy.

 

Rejoice, O gentiles, with His people, For He will avenge the blood of His servants, & render vengeance to His adversaries; He will provide atonement for His land & His people.` (Deut. 32: 39 - 43)

 

It is a pictorial representation of Christ`s mediatorial work between God & man. Christ is the Son of Man & the Son of God, thus He can stand between. We know that Paul, by the Holy Spirit says to Timothy -

 

`For there is one God & mediator between God & man, the man Christ Jesus.` (1 Tim. 2: 5)

 

What a wonderful illustration of our Lord holding up His hand, & swaring by Himself, that he will `avenge, render vengeance & provide atonement.` Utterly indescribable.

 

Marilyn.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Marilyn C

[Guest shiloh357]

Like I said, Marilyn.   You can believe that rubbish if you want, but I am not convinced.  I don't adhere to your brand of bad exegesis.

[Marilyn C]

Like I said, Marilyn.   You can believe that rubbish if you want, but I am not convinced.  I don't adhere to your brand of bad exegesis.

Hi shiloh357,

 

As an older sister in the Lord, let me encourage you that I see God`s gifting of a teacher on you. You explain God`s truths quite clearly at times. And as we know that gifting alone is not enough, the character side of us needs to mature as well. Thus I would exhort you to study & explain your understanding of eschatological scriptures & not just to resort to saying `rubbish.` We need to be workmen who do not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. `But shun profane & vain babblings for they will increase to more ungodliness.` (2 Tim. 2: 15 & 16)

 

Marilyn.

[Guest shiloh357]

Marilyn,

 

I have explained repeatedly why the angel is not Jesus.   You violate the rules of hermeneutics by reaching out to passages of Scripture that have NOTHING to do with Revelation 10 in order to impose your view on who the angel is.  You insist on your lack luster approach to Scripture and are bent on forcing your view on to Revelation 10.   I have said all I can say to you. You prefer sloppy exegesis to sound interpretation.

[missmuffet]

 

Like I said, Marilyn.   You can believe that rubbish if you want, but I am not convinced.  I don't adhere to your brand of bad exegesis.

Hi shiloh357,

 

As an older sister in the Lord, let me encourage you that I see God`s gifting of a teacher on you. You explain God`s truths quite clearly at times. And as we know that gifting alone is not enough, the character side of us needs to mature as well. Thus I would exhort you to study & explain your understanding of eschatological scriptures & not just to resort to saying `rubbish.` We need to be workmen who do not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. `But shun profane & vain babblings for they will increase to more ungodliness.` (2 Tim. 2: 15 & 16)

 

Marilyn.

 

I can actually say that I have been following your teachings Marilyn for a very long time on the End time,Eschatology,and Prophecy forums and I would consider you to be in error.There have been many,many Biblical errors I have noted.That is if a person is reading the true,literal word of God.I believe it is people who post doctrine that is not correct that we need to be very much on guard and keep our discernment very sharp.

Edited July 15, 2015 by George
Removed personal attack

[Marilyn C]

 

 

Like I said, Marilyn.   You can believe that rubbish if you want, but I am not convinced.  I don't adhere to your brand of bad exegesis.

Hi shiloh357,

 

As an older sister in the Lord, let me encourage you that I see God`s gifting of a teacher on you. You explain God`s truths quite clearly at times. And as we know that gifting alone is not enough, the character side of us needs to mature as well. Thus I would exhort you to study & explain your understanding of eschatological scriptures & not just to resort to saying `rubbish.` We need to be workmen who do not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. `But shun profane & vain babblings for they will increase to more ungodliness.` (2 Tim. 2: 15 & 16)

 

Marilyn.

 

I can actually say that I have been following your teachings Marilyn for a very long time on the End time,Eschatology,and Prophecy forums and I would consider you to be [removed personal attack].There have been many,many Biblical errors I have noted.That is if a person is reading the true,literal word of God.I believe it is people who post doctrine that is not correct that we need to be very much on guard and keep our discernment very sharp.

 

Hi bopeep1909,

 

I can quite understand how much of what I say is different from what you have been taught. I am open to people showing in scripture where it is wrong. As I told you earlier I was taught these things by ministers of God. Back in the `50`s & `60`s we were taught of Apostles & Prophets & saw those ministries functioning. However other Christians didn`t understand at that time & even laughed at us. However as time has gone on that revelation, clarity of scriptures has come across the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit.

 

I was also taught of the `eternal purposes` as you see in my interest box, & I quite fully realise that others will not understand at this point in time. However, I do believe that we will all come to the unity of faith in Christ as the Body, clearly understanding His purposes. Where I am wrong, then discussing & debating will, like iron on iron, sharpen us all.

 

Blessings, Marilyn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2015 by George

[Guest shiloh357]

the idea that one possesses superior knowledge that others don't have is one of the hallmarks of a cult.

[Marilyn C]

the idea that one possesses superior knowledge that others don't have is one of the hallmarks of a cult.

Hi shiloh357,

 

That`s true, yet as we mature in the Lord we will have understanding of God`s word that help those younger in the faith. That is why you post your comments to teach & show others what is truth.

 

Marilyn.

[missmuffet]

 

the idea that one possesses superior knowledge that others don't have is one of the hallmarks of a cult.

Hi shiloh357,

 

That`s true, yet as we mature in the Lord we will have understanding of God`s word that help those younger in the faith. That is why you post your comments to teach & show others what is truth.

 

Marilyn.

 

I believe that I am a believer who is grounded in God's word and what you preach I definitely would want to stay away from.

I can count on one hand of those who I learn from on Worthy who are very good teachers and I just know instantly that it is safe teaching.The Holy Spirit guides me in this.