Spirit versus flesh

[thereselittleflower]

Maybe this will help littleflower.

Question: "How will our resurrection body be different from our current body?"

Answer: In his first letter to the church in Corinth, Paul discusses the great differences between our earthly bodies and our resurrected bodies (see 1 Corinthians 15:35-54). Contrasting our earthly bodies with the splendor of our heavenly (resurrected) bodies, Paul says, “The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body” (vv. 42-44, emphasis added). In short, our resurrected bodies are spiritual, imperishable, and raised in glory and power.

Through the first Adam, we received our natural bodies, perfectly suited to an earthly environment. However, they became perishable as a consequence of the Fall. Due to disobedience, mankind became mortal. Aging, deterioration, and eventual death now affect all of us. From dust we came, and to dust shall we return (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 3:20). Our resurrection bodies, on the other hand, will be “raised imperishable.” They will never experience sickness, decay, deterioration, or death. And “when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable… then the saying that is written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory’” (1 Corinthians 15:54).

As a result of the Fall, we are “sown in dishonor.” We were originally made perfect and in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), but sin has brought dishonor. Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. Freed from the restrictions imposed by sin, our resurrected bodies will be honorable and perfectly suited for pleasing and praising our Creator throughout eternity.

Our current bodies are also characterized by weakness and debility. Our earthly “temples” are undeniably fragile and susceptible to the plethora of diseases that ravage mankind. We are also weakened by sin and temptation. One day, though, our bodies will be raised in power and glory, and we will no longer be subject to the flaws and fragility that pervade life today.

Last, the resurrected body will be a spiritual one. Our natural bodies are suited for living in this world, but this is the only realm in which we can live. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 15:50). After the resurrection we will have a “spiritual body,” perfectly suited for living in heaven. This does not mean that we will be only spirits—spirits do not have bodies—but that our resurrected bodies will not need physical sustenance or depend on natural means of supporting life.

We get a glimpse of what our resurrection bodies will be like when we recall Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances. He still had visible wounds, and His disciples could physically touch Him, yet He was able to travel effortlessly and appear and disappear at will. He could go through walls and doors yet could also eat and drink and sit and talk. Scripture informs us that our “lowly bodies” will be just “like His glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Indeed, the physical limitations imposed by sin that hinder our ability to fully serve Him on earth will be forever gone, freeing us to praise and serve and glorify Him for eternity.

http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-body.html

That really does not answer my question to you though.

I want to know what you think.

I asked enoob:

So you deny the resurrection of our bodies in favor of the creation of new bodies?

 

 

You said 

Yes,our new bodies are corrupt.We will get perfect glorified bodies in heaven.

 

So you said "yes", to the question "so you deny the resurrection of our bodies?"

 

So I am asking for you to clarify

Do you think are our bodies basically evil and we are trapped in them until we die?

 

 

 

[missmuffet]

Maybe this will help littleflower.

Question: "How will our resurrection body be different from our current body?"

Answer: In his first letter to the church in Corinth, Paul discusses the great differences between our earthly bodies and our resurrected bodies (see 1 Corinthians 15:35-54). Contrasting our earthly bodies with the splendor of our heavenly (resurrected) bodies, Paul says, “The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body” (vv. 42-44, emphasis added). In short, our resurrected bodies are spiritual, imperishable, and raised in glory and power.

Through the first Adam, we received our natural bodies, perfectly suited to an earthly environment. However, they became perishable as a consequence of the Fall. Due to disobedience, mankind became mortal. Aging, deterioration, and eventual death now affect all of us. From dust we came, and to dust shall we return (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 3:20). Our resurrection bodies, on the other hand, will be “raised imperishable.” They will never experience sickness, decay, deterioration, or death. And “when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable… then the saying that is written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory’” (1 Corinthians 15:54).

As a result of the Fall, we are “sown in dishonor.” We were originally made perfect and in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), but sin has brought dishonor. Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. Freed from the restrictions imposed by sin, our resurrected bodies will be honorable and perfectly suited for pleasing and praising our Creator throughout eternity.

Our current bodies are also characterized by weakness and debility. Our earthly “temples” are undeniably fragile and susceptible to the plethora of diseases that ravage mankind. We are also weakened by sin and temptation. One day, though, our bodies will be raised in power and glory, and we will no longer be subject to the flaws and fragility that pervade life today.

Last, the resurrected body will be a spiritual one. Our natural bodies are suited for living in this world, but this is the only realm in which we can live. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 15:50). After the resurrection we will have a “spiritual body,” perfectly suited for living in heaven. This does not mean that we will be only spirits—spirits do not have bodies—but that our resurrected bodies will not need physical sustenance or depend on natural means of supporting life.

We get a glimpse of what our resurrection bodies will be like when we recall Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances. He still had visible wounds, and His disciples could physically touch Him, yet He was able to travel effortlessly and appear and disappear at will. He could go through walls and doors yet could also eat and drink and sit and talk. Scripture informs us that our “lowly bodies” will be just “like His glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Indeed, the physical limitations imposed by sin that hinder our ability to fully serve Him on earth will be forever gone, freeing us to praise and serve and glorify Him for eternity.

http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-body.html

That really does not answer my question to you though.

I want to know what you think.

I asked enoob:

So you deny the resurrection of our bodies in favor of the creation of new bodies?

 

 

You said 

Yes,our new bodies are corrupt.We will get perfect glorified bodies in heaven.

 

So you said "yes", to the question "so you deny the resurrection of our bodies?"

 

So I am asking for you to clarify

Do you think are our bodies basically evil and we are trapped in them until we die?

 

 

 

Our earthly bodies were created for us by God and they have a earthly purpose.That is all.They will be destroyed and replaced with a glorified body when he are in heaven.Please read my above post from the ministry of "Got Questions".They will explain.

[thereselittleflower]

Maybe this will help littleflower.

Question: "How will our resurrection body be different from our current body?"

Answer: In his first letter to the church in Corinth, Paul discusses the great differences between our earthly bodies and our resurrected bodies (see 1 Corinthians 15:35-54). Contrasting our earthly bodies with the splendor of our heavenly (resurrected) bodies, Paul says, “The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body” (vv. 42-44, emphasis added). In short, our resurrected bodies are spiritual, imperishable, and raised in glory and power.

Through the first Adam, we received our natural bodies, perfectly suited to an earthly environment. However, they became perishable as a consequence of the Fall. Due to disobedience, mankind became mortal. Aging, deterioration, and eventual death now affect all of us. From dust we came, and to dust shall we return (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 3:20). Our resurrection bodies, on the other hand, will be “raised imperishable.” They will never experience sickness, decay, deterioration, or death. And “when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable… then the saying that is written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory’” (1 Corinthians 15:54).

As a result of the Fall, we are “sown in dishonor.” We were originally made perfect and in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), but sin has brought dishonor. Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. Freed from the restrictions imposed by sin, our resurrected bodies will be honorable and perfectly suited for pleasing and praising our Creator throughout eternity.

Our current bodies are also characterized by weakness and debility. Our earthly “temples” are undeniably fragile and susceptible to the plethora of diseases that ravage mankind. We are also weakened by sin and temptation. One day, though, our bodies will be raised in power and glory, and we will no longer be subject to the flaws and fragility that pervade life today.

Last, the resurrected body will be a spiritual one. Our natural bodies are suited for living in this world, but this is the only realm in which we can live. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 15:50). After the resurrection we will have a “spiritual body,” perfectly suited for living in heaven. This does not mean that we will be only spirits—spirits do not have bodies—but that our resurrected bodies will not need physical sustenance or depend on natural means of supporting life.

We get a glimpse of what our resurrection bodies will be like when we recall Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances. He still had visible wounds, and His disciples could physically touch Him, yet He was able to travel effortlessly and appear and disappear at will. He could go through walls and doors yet could also eat and drink and sit and talk. Scripture informs us that our “lowly bodies” will be just “like His glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Indeed, the physical limitations imposed by sin that hinder our ability to fully serve Him on earth will be forever gone, freeing us to praise and serve and glorify Him for eternity.

http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-body.html

That really does not answer my question to you though.

I want to know what you think.

I asked enoob:

So you deny the resurrection of our bodies in favor of the creation of new bodies?

 

 

You said 

Yes,our new bodies are corrupt.We will get perfect glorified bodies in heaven.

 

So you said "yes", to the question "so you deny the resurrection of our bodies?"

 

So I am asking for you to clarify

Do you think are our bodies basically evil and we are trapped in them until we die?

 

 

 

Our earthly bodies were created for us by God and they have a earthly purpose.That is all.They will be destroyed and replaced with a glorified body when he are in heaven.Please read my above post from the ministry of "Got Questions".They will explain.

Bopeep   I find nothing about our bodies being destroyed in your quote from "got questions".

 

Why will our bodies be destroyed?  Are they evil?

 

 

[missmuffet]

Maybe this will help littleflower.

Question: "How will our resurrection body be different from our current body?"

Answer: In his first letter to the church in Corinth, Paul discusses the great differences between our earthly bodies and our resurrected bodies (see 1 Corinthians 15:35-54). Contrasting our earthly bodies with the splendor of our heavenly (resurrected) bodies, Paul says, “The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body” (vv. 42-44, emphasis added). In short, our resurrected bodies are spiritual, imperishable, and raised in glory and power.

Through the first Adam, we received our natural bodies, perfectly suited to an earthly environment. However, they became perishable as a consequence of the Fall. Due to disobedience, mankind became mortal. Aging, deterioration, and eventual death now affect all of us. From dust we came, and to dust shall we return (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 3:20). Our resurrection bodies, on the other hand, will be “raised imperishable.” They will never experience sickness, decay, deterioration, or death. And “when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable… then the saying that is written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory’” (1 Corinthians 15:54).

As a result of the Fall, we are “sown in dishonor.” We were originally made perfect and in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), but sin has brought dishonor. Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. Freed from the restrictions imposed by sin, our resurrected bodies will be honorable and perfectly suited for pleasing and praising our Creator throughout eternity.

Our current bodies are also characterized by weakness and debility. Our earthly “temples” are undeniably fragile and susceptible to the plethora of diseases that ravage mankind. We are also weakened by sin and temptation. One day, though, our bodies will be raised in power and glory, and we will no longer be subject to the flaws and fragility that pervade life today.

Last, the resurrected body will be a spiritual one. Our natural bodies are suited for living in this world, but this is the only realm in which we can live. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 15:50). After the resurrection we will have a “spiritual body,” perfectly suited for living in heaven. This does not mean that we will be only spirits—spirits do not have bodies—but that our resurrected bodies will not need physical sustenance or depend on natural means of supporting life.

We get a glimpse of what our resurrection bodies will be like when we recall Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances. He still had visible wounds, and His disciples could physically touch Him, yet He was able to travel effortlessly and appear and disappear at will. He could go through walls and doors yet could also eat and drink and sit and talk. Scripture informs us that our “lowly bodies” will be just “like His glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Indeed, the physical limitations imposed by sin that hinder our ability to fully serve Him on earth will be forever gone, freeing us to praise and serve and glorify Him for eternity.

http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-body.html

That really does not answer my question to you though.

I want to know what you think.

I asked enoob:

So you deny the resurrection of our bodies in favor of the creation of new bodies?

 

 

You said 

Yes,our new bodies are corrupt.We will get perfect glorified bodies in heaven.

 

So you said "yes", to the question "so you deny the resurrection of our bodies?"

 

So I am asking for you to clarify

Do you think are our bodies basically evil and we are trapped in them until we die?

 

 

 

Our earthly bodies were created for us by God and they have a earthly purpose.That is all.They will be destroyed and replaced with a glorified body when he are in heaven.Please read my above post from the ministry of "Got Questions".They will explain.

 

Bopeep   I find nothing about our bodies being destroyed in your quote from "got questions".

 

Why will our bodies be destroyed?  Are they evil?

 

 

If you do not see from all the Scripture that is included in the above "Got Questions" piece about our earthly bodies being destroyed and us given a new body then you are definitely in denial.I can not help you.I will leave this thread.

[thereselittleflower]

Maybe this will help littleflower.

Question: "How will our resurrection body be different from our current body?"

Answer: In his first letter to the church in Corinth, Paul discusses the great differences between our earthly bodies and our resurrected bodies (see 1 Corinthians 15:35-54). Contrasting our earthly bodies with the splendor of our heavenly (resurrected) bodies, Paul says, “The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body” (vv. 42-44, emphasis added). In short, our resurrected bodies are spiritual, imperishable, and raised in glory and power.

Through the first Adam, we received our natural bodies, perfectly suited to an earthly environment. However, they became perishable as a consequence of the Fall. Due to disobedience, mankind became mortal. Aging, deterioration, and eventual death now affect all of us. From dust we came, and to dust shall we return (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 3:20). Our resurrection bodies, on the other hand, will be “raised imperishable.” They will never experience sickness, decay, deterioration, or death. And “when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable… then the saying that is written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory’” (1 Corinthians 15:54).

As a result of the Fall, we are “sown in dishonor.” We were originally made perfect and in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), but sin has brought dishonor. Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. Freed from the restrictions imposed by sin, our resurrected bodies will be honorable and perfectly suited for pleasing and praising our Creator throughout eternity.

Our current bodies are also characterized by weakness and debility. Our earthly “temples” are undeniably fragile and susceptible to the plethora of diseases that ravage mankind. We are also weakened by sin and temptation. One day, though, our bodies will be raised in power and glory, and we will no longer be subject to the flaws and fragility that pervade life today.

Last, the resurrected body will be a spiritual one. Our natural bodies are suited for living in this world, but this is the only realm in which we can live. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 15:50). After the resurrection we will have a “spiritual body,” perfectly suited for living in heaven. This does not mean that we will be only spirits—spirits do not have bodies—but that our resurrected bodies will not need physical sustenance or depend on natural means of supporting life.

We get a glimpse of what our resurrection bodies will be like when we recall Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances. He still had visible wounds, and His disciples could physically touch Him, yet He was able to travel effortlessly and appear and disappear at will. He could go through walls and doors yet could also eat and drink and sit and talk. Scripture informs us that our “lowly bodies” will be just “like His glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Indeed, the physical limitations imposed by sin that hinder our ability to fully serve Him on earth will be forever gone, freeing us to praise and serve and glorify Him for eternity.

http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-body.html

That really does not answer my question to you though.

I want to know what you think.

I asked enoob:

So you deny the resurrection of our bodies in favor of the creation of new bodies?

 

 

You said 

Yes,our new bodies are corrupt.We will get perfect glorified bodies in heaven.

 

So you said "yes", to the question "so you deny the resurrection of our bodies?"

 

So I am asking for you to clarify

Do you think are our bodies basically evil and we are trapped in them until we die?

 

 

 

Our earthly bodies were created for us by God and they have a earthly purpose.That is all.They will be destroyed and replaced with a glorified body when he are in heaven.Please read my above post from the ministry of "Got Questions".They will explain.

 

Bopeep   I find nothing about our bodies being destroyed in your quote from "got questions".

 

Why will our bodies be destroyed?  Are they evil?

 

 

If you do not see from all the Scripture that is included in the above "Got Questions" piece about our earthly bodies being destroyed and us given a new body then you are definitely in denial.I can not help you.I will leave this thread.

 

Bopeep your source does not say we are given new bodies.  It says

 

Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. 

 

It doesn't say we get new bodies or our old bodies are left behind.     

 

The resurrection is the resurrection of our bodies.     Not our souls.   Our souls are already with the Lord.    It is our bodies which have been left behind and are now resurrected in glory.   

 

This is why the tomb of Jesus was empty.  

His earthly body was resurrected in glory. 

He didn't get a new body.

It was his earthly body he had on earth, now resurrected and transformed in glory.   It had the same wounds he incurred during his passion and crucifixion.

 

We shall be like Him.

 

This means our earthly bodies will be resurrected like His and transformed like His.

 

To say our bodies get left behind is what the gnostics taught.

 

Why are you holding to gnostic beliefs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Qnts2]

If you do not see from all the Scripture that is included in the above "Got Questions" piece about our earthly bodies being destroyed and us given a new body then you are definitely in denial.I can not help you.I will leave this thread.

 

Bopeep your source does not say we are given new bodies.  It says

 

Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. 

 

It doesn't say we get new bodies or our old bodies are left behind.     

 

The resurrection is the resurrection of our bodies.     Not our souls.   Our souls are already with the Lord.    It is our bodies which have been left behind and are now resurrected in glory.   

 

This is why the tomb of Jesus was empty.  

His body was resurrected in glory. 

He didn't get a new body.

It was his earthly body he had on earth, now resurrected and transformed in glory.

 

We shall be like Him.

 

This means our eartly bodies will be resurrected like His and transformed like His.

 

To say our bodies get left behind is what the gnostics taught.

 

Why are you holding to gnostic beliefs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All that is needed is one verse.

1 Cor 15:50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Our current bodies are flesh and blood. Those bodies will not inherit the kingdom of God. They are perishable.

I also think you post is rude, accusing Bopeep of holding to gnostic beliefs. Actually, you have accused her of saying something she never said.

[thereselittleflower]

If you do not see from all the Scripture that is included in the above "Got Questions" piece about our earthly bodies being destroyed and us given a new body then you are definitely in denial.I can not help you.I will leave this thread.

 

Bopeep your source does not say we are given new bodies.  It says

 

Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. 

 

It doesn't say we get new bodies or our old bodies are left behind.     

 

The resurrection is the resurrection of our bodies.     Not our souls.   Our souls are already with the Lord.    It is our bodies which have been left behind and are now resurrected in glory.   

 

This is why the tomb of Jesus was empty.  

His body was resurrected in glory. 

He didn't get a new body.

It was his earthly body he had on earth, now resurrected and transformed in glory.

 

We shall be like Him.

 

This means our eartly bodies will be resurrected like His and transformed like His.

 

To say our bodies get left behind is what the gnostics taught.

 

Why are you holding to gnostic beliefs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All that is needed is one verse.

1 Cor 15:50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Our current bodies are flesh and blood. Those bodies will not inherit the kingdom of God. They are perishable.

Prooftexting does not prove your point.   

[thereselittleflower]

So  even though

1. man as a trichotomy, body, soul and spirit, originated in gnosticism predating christianity,
2. man as a trichotomy was imported into gnostic versions of christianity 
3. the early church affirmed the dichotimy of man as body and soul in response to invasion of gnostic thought
4. there is only ONE verse in all of scripture that lists body soul and spirit and numerous others list body and soul or body and spirit including every time Jesus spoke of body and soul/spirit.

 

It is heresy to believe in the dichotomy of man rather than the gnostic notion of body, soul and spirit?

 

 

Edited September 10, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[*Zion*]

Thereselittleflower, isn't that one scripture enough to satisfy as an answer? 

[enoob57]

If you do not see from all the Scripture that is included in the above "Got Questions" piece about our earthly bodies being destroyed and us given a new body then you are definitely in denial.I can not help you.I will leave this thread.

 

Bopeep your source does not say we are given new bodies.  It says

 

Yet believers have the promise that our imperfect and dishonored bodies will one day be raised in glory. 

 

It doesn't say we get new bodies or our old bodies are left behind.     

 

The resurrection is the resurrection of our bodies.     Not our souls.   Our souls are already with the Lord.    It is our bodies which have been left behind and are now resurrected in glory.   

 

This is why the tomb of Jesus was empty.  

His body was resurrected in glory. 

He didn't get a new body.

It was his earthly body he had on earth, now resurrected and transformed in glory.

 

We shall be like Him.

 

This means our eartly bodies will be resurrected like His and transformed like His.

 

To say our bodies get left behind is what the gnostics taught.

 

Why are you holding to gnostic beliefs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All that is needed is one verse.

1 Cor 15:50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Our current bodies are flesh and blood. Those bodies will not inherit the kingdom of God. They are perishable.

I also think you post is rude, accusing Bopeep of holding to gnostic beliefs. Actually, you have accused her of saying something she never said.

I also would agree with your assessment!  Love, Steven