What not to eat?

[Guest shiloh357]

The article posted here which states that pigs are filthy animals, shows the ignorance of the author.

Pigs are in fact very clean animals, when you compare them to others. First off, many people have made pigs pets, and even allow them to live in their own homes with them.

Pigs will not eat their own stools(dropping), like chickens and turkeys and even dogs will do. Pigs will not even drop their stools near  the place they sleep or eat, unlike other animials, which we consider to be clean.

Pigs keep themselves clean and rolling in mud is their way of removing parasites and ticks. Many other animals which we consider clean,  don't do this.

The reason why pigs are considered filthy, is because they are usually kept in pens and fed swill, which is merely thrown on the ground of the pig stye. Free roaming pigs don't live the same way and as a result are not dirty.

Pigs are also very intelligent, in fact they say they are more intelligent than dogs.

Next time you want to know the truth about pigs, ask a farmer.

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To be fair, this is not exactly true. Pigs will eat the waste of other animals, and they will eat dead animals such as rats. Pigs are used by farmers to kill snakes. Pigs kill and are known to eat them. Pigs will eat just about anything, just like a goat, except the goat can process the poisons and filth from what he eats through chewing the cud.

This is why pork as to be cooked VERY good.

I am not advocating kosher laws per se, but pigs eat filthy stuff like just about any other animal you can think of.

[angels4u]

I heard actually that even when you cook pork you can never kill all the worm or worm eggs in it??

And Haggis or how you call it?

Who could actually eat something like that ? Sick, sick sick!!!!!!

[Work in Progress]

I heard actually that even when you cook pork you can never kill all the worm or worm eggs in it??

Oh, please let this topic die. I love pork!!!!

[Guest yod]

Pigs roll in the mud because they don't have sweat glands. This is how they cool off...and it's also another reason why everything they eat goes into their flesh...they don't have as many ways to rid their bodies of toxins.

Just because food may not "defile" our hearts doesn't mean that the unclean has been declared clean. Yeshua was talking to the Pharisees about their "tradition" of eating without washing hands being a sin

And if I see one more person misinterpret Peter's vision, I think I'll go postal.

Please read just a couple more paragraphs down in that story, would ya? He's talking about GENTILES being made clean...not pigs.

We can justify eating paint if we want...but it is not a food created by God to be eaten and we are inviting "the diseases of Eygpt" by ignoring His teaching on this.

You'll get to heaven sooner though....

[Ovedya]

Yod,

With just a minor correction, brother, I agree with you.

The Egyptians were actually one of the first human cultures to shun the eating of pigs, long before the Lord handed down the Law to Moses. Egyptians (wrongly) believed that pigs carried leprosy, and so they could not eat them. In fact, they used pigs to trample seeds down into the earth, to sow their fields. Pigs were domesticated in Egypt as working animals, not for eating.

Also, "the disease of Egypt" refers to the boils which the Lord placed upon the Egyptians. It is included with the curses that God promised to anyone who disobeyed His commandments in Deut. 28.

Let me ask you this, though: If God knew that certain types of animals were unhealthy, then why didn't he exclude them from the animals which He allowed Noah to eat?

The dietary laws were not given to man until Moses. Up until that point God's provision was that man could eat "Every moving thing that lives.." with the exception that he could not eat the blood. (Gen. 9:3-4) So why should we not assume that up until Moses God's people did eat pigs?

And considering the fact that Christ released us from the bondage of the Law to the Spirit, in which case we are free to eat these things with a conscience void of offense, isn't it reasonable to believe that the primary reason God gave the dietary laws was for obedience - That they had more of a spiritual significance rather than strictly health purposes?

[IslandRose]

Nebula ever tried horse or cat?

[Work in Progress]

Nebula ever tried horse or cat?

[Guest yod]

ahh....finally a reasonable debate on the subject.

The Egyptians were actually one of the first human cultures to shun the eating of pigs, long before the Lord handed down the Law to Moses.  Egyptians (wrongly) believed that pigs carried leprosy, and so they sould not eat them.  In fact, they used pigs to trample seeds down into the earth, to sow their fields.  Pigs were domesticated in Egypt as working animals, not for eating.

thanks for that info...I was not aware of that

Also, "the disease of Egypt" refers to the boils which the Lord placed upon the Egyptians.  It is included with the curses that God promised to anyone who disobeyed His commandments in Deut. 28.

I got this frrom Deut 7

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

11Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

12Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

15And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

I interpret this to say that God chose us because He wanted to and that is irrevocable...yet He also gives us His wisdom through the commandments for our own good.

Let me ask you this, though:  If God knew that certain types of animals were unhealthy, then why didn't he exclude them from the animals which He allowed Noah to eat?

Genesis 7

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

How could a distinction be made if this concept was unknown to Noah?

And considering the fact that Christ released us from the bondage of the Law to the Spirit, in which case we are free to eat these things with a conscience void of offense, isn't it reasonable to believe that the primary reason God gave the dietary laws was for obedience - That they had more of a spiritual significance rather than strictly health purposes?

Obedience for mere obedience sake? I don't think so, achi. For instance...this is another commandment where we are told to do a practical thing for a spiritual reason

Deuteronomy 23:12 "You shall also have a place outside the camp and go out there, and you shall have a spade among your tools, and it shall be when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and shall turn to cover up your excrement.

"Since the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp to deliver you and to defeat your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy; and He must not see anything indecent among you or He will turn away from you.

And being released from "bondage" to the Torah is not the same thing as making the Torah void, just as being released from bondage to food indulgence doesn't make food unecessary.

This whole discussion makes me uncomfortable because I certainly do NOT want to appear as if I sit in judgement of saints over their diet...but it is true that a Levitical diet is very good for your body...and many of the verses used justify an unhealthy diet are taken out of context and simply do not say that unclean food has become clean by virtue of His resurrection.

They simply say that our souls are no longer judged as guilty. But our temples will still reap whatever we sow....

Is it a sin to smoke cigarettes? That is the same arguement, imo.

[Ovedya]

Yod.

The Spirit must be flowing here, bro., because I had the exact same thought concerning Noah when I read those verses in Genesis 9. How did Noah know which animals were clean?

I'm going to have to give that one some thought. As well as the other points you mentioned. Mind if I get back to this tomorrow sometime? It's getting a little late and my brain's not good for much right now.

[Guest yod]

NO....I do not want to get back to this tomorrow

Last one standing tonight WINS!!!