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Is love unconditional? Does God love us unconditionally? Do people ever love unconditionally?


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Not sure, maybe, no.

I don't believe that love is unconditional, I loved my first wife, but when she left me and got pregnant with another man's baby and said and did very mean and evil things to me, I stopped loving her.

from a human perspective allowing people to suffer eternally in hell is not an act of love.


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So if we only love based on what we get in return, is that pure selfishness? Actually, that is probably how I observe what people mean when they talk of love. I'm pretty sure most people I know have a skewed understanding of love. Every guy I know who got divorced, his wife left him. But is that a sign of these days? Didn't hosea's wife also leave?

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God loves unconditionally, but our experience of his love is conditional.   One important thing to understand about God is that, despite what people say, God's chief attribute is not love.  His chief attribute is holiness.  Before God is love, God is holy and just.  God's love does not abrogate his holiness and justice against sin.


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So if we only love based on what we get in return, is that pure selfishness? Actually, that is probably how I observe what people mean when they talk of love. I'm pretty sure most people I know have a skewed understanding of love. Every guy I know who got divorced, his wife left him. But is that a sign of these days? Didn't hosea's wife also leave?

I am not sure the love is based solely on what you get in return, but that does play a part, especially when the return is evil and vindictive behavior.

After your wife does not come home for 36 hours and then finally calls you to tell you she is leaving, followed by lies and worse during the divorce hearings that almost cost you your employment and does cost you more than half your personal wealth, then talk to me about selfishness and Hosea. The person I loved was not the person I divorced, she had the same body but was not the same person.


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Yeah I'm sorry I sounded like I was judging you. I was wrong. I should be more specific. I was talking about my life personally. My wife also left for another man. Took what little savings we had. Spent it plus more in personal loans then came home. She is very unhappy with me plain to see. Trying to understand what love could be. God loved us while we were still sinners. God told Hosea to take back his wife. Didn't seem to be asking Hosea how he felt. I see it as God seeks us out yet while we have not been faithful to Him. Thanks Shiloh, yes God is Holy and His love for us cost Him.


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Yes. God loves unconditionally... well, my meaning of unconditional is: He loves you not due to your actions or any conditions... he just loves you. But its possible for a person to accept or reject his love, and it is not in his nature to force his will on people.

 

Which is why some will still end up in hell, because they refuse to accept his love.

 

To think deep about it, its logical... while on earth (reasonable distance from the concentrated presence of God) you refuse to accept him or his love for you (revealed in Christ Jesus)... why would he force you to dwell with him for eternity? that would be very unfair...

 

No. I don't think man in himself is capable of loving unconditionally, although if we are submissive enough to God and allow his spirit to rule us, we can love beyond normal human feelings... but still, i don't think any human is capable of the kind of Love God has towards us. 

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You never want to project our human experience of love on to God.   God's love is unconditional, but it is also perfect and holy.   Human love is hot one day, cold the next.  It is fickle and preferential.  


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Yeah I'm sorry I sounded like I was judging you. I was wrong. I should be more specific. I was talking about my life personally. My wife also left for another man. Took what little savings we had. Spent it plus more in personal loans then came home. She is very unhappy with me plain to see. Trying to understand what love could be. God loved us while we were still sinners. God told Hosea to take back his wife. Didn't seem to be asking Hosea how he felt. I see it as God seeks us out yet while we have not been faithful to Him. Thanks Shiloh, yes God is Holy and His love for us cost Him.

The thing about Hosea is that he married Gomer knowing what she was, she didn't suddenly change in the middle of the marriage. The person I loved and married was not the person I divorced, and it seems the case might be the same for you. Everything that I loved about her went away or changed so drastically it was essentially a new person. I didn't love her because of what she gave me, but because of who she was. Once she was no longer that person, the love went away.


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Yeah I'm sorry I sounded like I was judging you. I was wrong. I should be more specific. I was talking about my life personally. My wife also left for another man. Took what little savings we had. Spent it plus more in personal loans then came home. She is very unhappy with me plain to see. Trying to understand what love could be. God loved us while we were still sinners. God told Hosea to take back his wife. Didn't seem to be asking Hosea how he felt. I see it as God seeks us out yet while we have not been faithful to Him. Thanks Shiloh, yes God is Holy and His love for us cost Him.

The thing about Hosea is that he married Gomer knowing what she was, she didn't suddenly change in the middle of the marriage. The person I loved and married was not the person I divorced, and it seems the case might be the same for you. Everything that I loved about her went away or changed so drastically it was essentially a new person. I didn't love her because of what she gave me, but because of who she was. Once she was no longer that person, the love went away.

So this is basically saying love is just feelings? I think love is more . . .

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